Lost Alice : (....UPDATE....and I killed her

[chiknwhisperer]

I am so sorry about your loss!!! Thank you for letting us know about the pasta thing though. I feed mine from the table as well even though my DH doesn't like it. And they do get pasta a few times a week but they also get meat and oats. Not very much fruit or veggies from here. We are a meat and potatoes kind of family. But they really love my sphagetti(sp). I'll have to cut back. Thank you for sharing what you have learned from the passing of your sweet family member.

 

[ZooMummzy]

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Really? I have never heard that before but thank you for the information. I know they need extra protein and meat can provide this but the fruit thing is new to me. Do you have any links I can read on this? Everything I have ever read said fruit is fine for chickens, healthy actually since it is natural. So many people let theirs free range in orchards etc.

 

[Jenski]

ZooMummzy, thanks so much for sharing this valuable information. It is a great help to all of us to actually see necropsy results for sudden death, and I commend your responsibility in having this done at what was a difficult time. What a good example you are for all of us!

I tend to think that this sort of condition is the result of a combination of diet/exercise and genetics; there are thousands (or millions?) of chickens around the world who may have consumed these things, or more, and not suffered the same fate. Please don't beat yourself up too badly for feeding table scraps.

And as you can see, there are many of us here who understand how it feels to lose one of our beloved friends. Sending peace and light your way~~~~~~

 

[coffeemama]

Sorry Zoo-who knew that could happen?

 

[Hidden Hollow Hatchery]

You know, I've been pondering the last few minutes (while battling with paypal) and I started to think...

ALOT of chickens are bred to grow quickly or get fat. Like, people breed them that way on purpose, intending them to live short lives and make tasty meals. So, even if you kept her and raised her as a beloved pet, her genetics probably labeled her as lunch, as much as I really, really hate to say it..

She was probably more prone to this than the others, which is why she went first. It's horrible when you lose one that really sticks out..

 

[Wifezilla]

Really? I have never heard that before but thank you for the information. I know they need extra protein and meat can provide this but the fruit thing is new to me. Do you have any links I can read on this? Everything I have ever read said fruit is fine for chickens, healthy actually since it is natural. So many people let theirs free range in orchards etc.

"High fructose processed foods linked to obesity, gout, hypertension, diabetes, cholesterol and fatty liver
There has been a "cloud" over the health benefits of fructose added to processed foods over the last few decades. Food manufacturers have been adding pure fructose to foods in the quest to lower the glycaemic index (GI) of the food because fructose does not affect insulin production therefore is considered to be a low GI sugar (this is contrast to glucose which does raise insulin levels). The food industry have also been adding fructose in the form of corn syrup (popular in the United States) or sucrose (this is half fructose) to foods, especially low fat/diet foods to improve flavour. There is emerging evidence that this may be making the obesity epidemic even worse, starting with damage to our liver cells, the hepatocytes.
The only organ in your body that can take up fructose is your liver and this is where the problem begins. In contrast, glucose can be taken up by every organ in the body, only 20% of glucose load ends up at your liver - the rest is metabolised by muscles, brain, kidneys, heart etc. .
Fructose increases uric acid which in turn increases blood pressure and causes gout (where uric acid crystals are deposited in joints)
Fructose increases phosphate depletion of the hepatocyte which ultimately causes an increase in uric acid. Uric acid is an inhibitor of nitric oxide - nitric oxide is your naturally occurring blood pressure lowerer.
Fructose increases fat production in the liver (also known as denovo lipogenesis) which in turn increases blood fats like cholesterol and triglycerides (glucose does not do this) and liver fat (which could result in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease). In fact fructose is being metabolised via the same pathway as alcohol and is actually damaging your liver in the the same way as alcohol. Fructose causes deposition of fat within the liver so it is actually like alcohol and alcohol is like a fat. So in contrast to glucose, it can be said that fructose behaves like a fat.
Fructose increases inflammation which in turn increases insuln levels in the long term: fructose initiates an enzyme called Junk one in the liver which stimulates the inflammation pathway. This in turn stops the insulin receptor in your liver from working resulting in higher insulin levels in the body (pancreas responds to this situation by pumping out more insulin in the hope to get the insulin working) . Eventually insulin resistance sets in where your insulin receptors are no longer responding to the excessive amounts of insulin and thus less glucose gets into the cells and more remains in the blood (this is when diabetes is diagnosed). High insulin levels stimulate the conversion of sugar to fat which means you will be storing more fat in the liver (which could result in non-alcoholic fatty liver disease) and more fat in fat cells, especially around the abdomen and internal organs (resulting in abdominal/visceral obesity).
Fructose doesn't raise your insulin in the short term because there's no fructose receptor on your beta cell in your pancreas which produces insulin but there is a receptor for glucose (fat also does not increase insulin production). However, in the long term fructose will raise insulin due to the effects on inflammation in the liver which in turn can make you insulin resistant (mentioned above). The World Cancer Research Fund latest report recommends a reduction in sugar dense drinks and fruit juices. http://www.wcrf.org/home/recommendations.lasso
Bottom line: A low fat diet containing processed sugar dense foods is really a high fat diet because fructose (in sugar) behaves like a fat. We were not designed to eat a lot of refined sugars, we're supposed to be eating our carbohydrate, particularly our fructose, with high fibre in unprocessed foods like fruit and vegetables. If you are trying to lose weight, lower your blood pressure, blood fats or fatty liver reduce your intake of sugars/fructose in processed foods that do not contain fibre (like soft drinks, fruit juices, sweet yoghurts, cakes, biscuits, fructose sweetened protein drinks etc) even if the label says low GI."

As for chickens in orchards, the outcome is going to depend on what they are eating. The more fiber and less sugar the fruit has the less harm it will do. And like HHH says, how carbohydrates and sugars effect the chicken will depend on the breed.​

 

[tiki244]

I just saw this post zoomummzy and I am sorry for the loss of Alice.

Try not to blame yourself, you can only do so much. And you did the best by her. What a pretty girl she was.

 

[Catalina]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[CityClucks]

I am so sorry you had to go through this and lose your sweet cluck! But I am glad I read this thread, since I was giving my clucks meat, and will now know not to overdo it. So Alice has helped me.

 

[Wifezilla]

Meat does not make birds or people fat.