Made my own feed

[LaurenRitz]

@Perris Even buying organic doesn’t preclude the possibility of unknowingly ingesting genetically edited plants. I suspect that the increased gluten intolerance in humans is a result of whatever was done with oats and wheat to increase pest/disease resistance and yield after the war, they probably pre soaked it with colchicine.
The following is from my grain suppliers website.

‘Many people prefer Spelt to ‘modern’ wheat because its DNA has not been changed by farming methods and it has a more extensive nutritional profile.
Some people who cannot tolerate wheat find spelt does not cause them problems because the gluten is water soluble and more easily broken down.’

It's also a matter of overdose. Modern wheat has up to 6x as much gluten as its ancestors. It was crossed with various wild grains to make a perfect wheat for modern agriculture.

Our digestive systems are not designed to handle that much. So a food that provides much of what we need, and used to be a staple, is now on the restricted list for many people.

 

[Flock of Buttons]

It was crossed with various wild grains to make a perfect wheat for modern agriculture.

It’s wind pollinated so has always been crossed with its wild relatives, this wasn’t a problem until we started using colchicine to induce polyploidy in the 40s.

 

[Flock of Buttons]

@U_Stormcrow, after reading some more I’ve adjusted removed and added some ingredients. I suspect I’ll still need to add oyster shell and seaweed for the methionine and calcium but no idea how much so I’d really appreciate your advice, I’ve also changed my plans for buttons and will be getting harlequin instead which shouldn’t change the ratios but I’ll need a new profile name so will make a new thread with the updated recipe and hope to see you there.

I'll have to add a few of those ingredients to my spreadsheet, and some of those protein numbers look high - as if they aren't corrected for moisture content. and while that only makes about a 10% difference +/- with dried grains, which are usually reduced to 10% water content or less, it makes a huge difference with things like fish, BSFL, and mealworms.

I'll also ignore the last half part, since that's both not a recipe, and because the combined ingredients in that half part total less than 1/80th the total recipe.

This weekend.

It also looks expensive.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Sounds good. I'll see you there this weekend. and indicate what kind of seaweed you intend to use - there's considerable variety. Dried, I assume?

 

[DvorahChanah]

Hi @U_Stormcrow I also ignored the last half a part of the ingredients for the same reason.
I’d love to know your opinion re. This recipe, it will be more expensive than standard pre mix but it’s all organic and gluten/oat free which is not commercially available here so not really comparable and I don’t expect my small flock of button quail to get through it very fast.
I got most of the protein ratios from the place I’m getting the grain, it could be higher than expected because it’s organic? The ratios for fish and bugs are from the Internet.

I want to do this for my quail..... A lady after my own heart.

 

[Chicanomama]

I'll have to add a few of those ingredients to my spreadsheet, and some of those protein numbers look high - as if they aren't corrected for moisture content. and while that only makes about a 10% difference +/- with dried grains, which are usually reduced to 10% water content or less, it makes a huge difference with things like fish, BSFL, and mealworms.

I'll also ignore the last half part, since that's both not a recipe, and because the combined ingredients in that half part total less than 1/80th the total recipe.

This weekend.

It also looks expensive.

Hello. Sorry I'm new here,but what spreadsheet are you speaking about. I'm looking to make my own feed or at least half of it to stratch what they already get and would love to know if what I'm giving them is OK.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Hello. Sorry I'm new here,but what spreadsheet are you speaking about. I'm looking to make my own feed or at least half of it to stratch what they already get and would love to know if what I'm giving them is OK.

I built a feed calculator from scratch in excel and loaded it with data from Feedipedia. No, I'm not sharing it, It has some quirks that can lead to errors if you don't understand how its written, and eventually I will replace all the data in it with info from another source. Feedipedia is better than many, but has some data issues of its own


I have found, consistently, that making your own is more expensive for almost everyone in almost every situation than simply buying better nutritional feed to start with off the shelf.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

I built a feed calculator from scratch in excel and loaded it with data from Feedipedia. No, I'm not sharing it, It has some quirks that can lead to errors if you don't understand how its written, and eventually I will replace all the data in it with info from another source. Feedipedia is better than many, but has some data issues of its own


I have found, consistently, that making your own is more expensive for almost everyone in almost every situation than simply buying better nutritional feed to start with off the shelf.

Hello I have read through some things you say and I am sad that you will not share your knowledge of feed expertise calculations. Chickens owners do not need extra parents and shops. Feeding chickens fully nutritional and without cost is the most important thing. For sure you are mistaken that shelf feed is less expensive and more important better nutrional. Do you mean generic and organic bags of chicken feed from the commercial? For certain starting from fish, larvae, grains, cereal grains, grass, vegetables, seasonal fruits, is less expenses and much more nutrition than bags of pellets. Every size home can succeed this.

I think if you do not share your feed expertise to help less poor people you are not helping someone, but gaining money. That is for businesses to do, not friends that need help on a website of friends.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

For sure you are mistaken that shelf feed is less expensive and more important better nutrional. Do you mean generic and organic bags of chicken feed from the commercial? For certain starting from fish, larvae, grains, cereal grains, grass, vegetables, seasonal fruits, is less expenses and much more nutrition than bags of pellets. Every size home can succeed this.

Many people who know little to nothing about feeding chickens think this, and they are consistently (and almost universally) wrong. ...as I have shown time and again here on BYC. It is easy to imagine it otherwise - particularly when one's imaginings are not inconvenienced by fact. Reality is much different.

I think if you do not share your feed expertise to help less poor people you are not helping someone, but gaining money. That is for businesses to do, not friends that need help on a website of friends..

No one is entitled to the fruits of my labors but me. What I choose to do with it is mine to decide. I **do** share my knowledge, my resources, free of charge with others here when inclined to do so. I choose NOT to share my calculator, which I have repeatedly described as an inferior and incomplete project, out of the certainty that its use by those who do not understand its calculations and limitations would likely be led to erroneous conclusions by it.

 

[Kenya Mwangi]

Many people who know little to nothing about feeding chickens think this, and they are consistently (and almost universally) wrong. ...as I have shown time and again here on BYC. It is easy to imagine it otherwise - particularly when one's imaginings are not inconvenienced by fact. Reality is much different.



No one is entitled to the fruits of my labors but me. What I choose to do with it is mine to decide. I **do** share my knowledge, my resources, free of charge with others here when inclined to do so. I choose NOT to share my calculator, which I have repeatedly described as an inferior and incomplete project, out of the certainty that its use by those who do not understand its calculations and limitations would likely be led to erroneous conclusions by it.

Hello I am apologizing to you because what you say about one thing is true. Your fruits are from your labors. I don't deserve those. I apologize. But you say "many people who know little to nothing about feeding chickens think this," and then you claim "inconvenienced by fact." Claiming fact about feeding chickens never is true and there is an opposite to people who know little to nothing about feeding chickens. I think they would disagree with you.

Small farms and homes can make miniature versions of large containments of insects and plants for chicken feed purposes and reduce price with better nutrion.