Meat bird woes: Weasel or ??? - help!

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UPDATE - see post #5 - culprit may be crow/raven!

Well, we are still having consistent meat bird losses. We raise them out on pasture, in Kencove electronet, a few hundred yards from the house (unfortunately not in close view), on our small farm. A while back, we started finding on average one killed per day. The body is always left behind in the netting with the other chickens, and usually the head is gone and the neck gnawed down to the bone. Once or twice the head was still on, and once or twice the vent end was opened up. It had most of the time happened in early morning, it seems, but sometimes in broad daylight (chickens were fine when we checked in the morning, but then one dead in the afternoon or evening). Usually only one kill at a time, a few times there has been two. It has happened to chicks 4 weeks old, and almost full-grown 7 week CornishX.

We started fencing them in their shelter (a truck cap) with hardware cloth at night, and that worked for a few weeks. One night we didn't get out there, and sure enough the next morning there was a kill. But a few days ago we started losing them in the daylight again.

Now, just about everything about the kill/remains matches what I've read regarding weasels, except there hasn't been any massacres. This may make sense, as the massacres seem to happen in coops, where the chickens are trapped, whereas for us they are in an 40x40 electronet. The net has a good charge, and has 100% kept them fortified against foxes, coyotes, coons, etc. We also have layers and pullets out on the pasture, and they have never been harmed. However, with the small size of the weasel, I think it could dart under or through the netting (the openings near the ground are I think 2x4 or 3x4 inch) without getting zapped and deterred.

But the kills may also match a hawk or owl? Though, the necks are always on the body still, not taken off with the head. A couple times I have heard crows, and seen one out in the netting, but I think they are just eating the carrion - only after seeing crows have I found carcasses where the flesh was eaten, not just the head/neck. But, I would think hawks or owls wouldn't leave the small, 3-4 week old chicks that were first killed and now killed?

I've been baiting and setting traps (rat traps, longspring traps, conibears), within and without "weasel boxes," in the netting near the chickens and out and about near culverts, woods, etc., and have had no luck. Nor have we seen the culprits. Last night I put some chicks in a rabbit cage, full view, and put traps around them, but the enemy didn't hit until the afternoon. We've lost probably 30 meat birds at various ages, and are getting despaired. I may have to start camping out all day with a shotgun, but with our luck it won't come by til I give up. Arghhh!
 
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It probably is a weasel then. if you have a turkey blind or just a blind set that up in the pature. let it sit there for a few days so the varmit gets used to it. then one morning first thing like 5 am go sit in the blind with a shotgun. it might come if it is used to the blind.
 
Or set up a game cam so you can see who you are dealing with. Kind of does sound like a weasel or a rat maybe? You might also consider a more permanent type of fencing for them with hardware cloth? Or could you lap some more netting near the bottom so that it can't get through the holes? I'll bet if the predator got zapped good enough, that would end his buffet! Good luck!
 
It is possible that it is a owl or hawk (which would explain the necks being eaten).If it's a weasel I would set some heavy duty rat traps around and wait a week or so for your scent to die down, and then you should catch one. Also try using wire thats less than an inch wide (because weasels can get through any thing more than an inch wide). If it is a owl or hawk I would call the DNR. The DNR should live trap the bird and relocate it to a state park or national forest.



Good luck,
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Thebirdwhisperr




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P.S. Don't try to trap or kill a hawk or owl, it's ILLEGAL.​
 
Thanks for the replies. I *think* I may have our answer. On Tuesday, I sat out under the trees near the edge of the pasture, maybe 50 yards away or so. My wife and I took shifts, and when we went to town in the afternoon we fenced them under their truck cap. Never saw anything attack. The next day, did the same - but we had a gap, when I went in for lunch, and went back 1.5 hours later, there was one dead. This morning, kept vigil again, saw nothing, then during a maybe 20 to 30 minute gap, when I was inside and my wife had just finished our morning milking outside, and fed the calves, we lost another. So I went back to sitting, further away from the chickens and closer to the house, binoculars in hand.

Finally saw a crow or raven (not sure which) swoop by and land in the netting with the meat birds. All black, with a fairly curved beak it seemed to me (watching from afar with binoculars). Most of the chickens quickly ran under the cap. I assumed it was going to go over to the carcass from this morning and start picking at it. It hopped around for a few minutes, and eventually the chickens seemed to get a little more comfortable and started walking around again. But then the crow/raven started to attack, going for their necks. I immediately ran over, and of course it ran away once it saw me - unfortunately, no shotgun in hand :(.

Now, we knew their were crows about. I'd hear them, see them in the fields, and a couple times saw them picking at carcasses - but picking the meat clean. So I thought they were just picking up the weasel/hawk/owl's leftovers. Maybe that's true, and it's only one rogue crow/raven actually attacking. It also makes sense that it could be a smart, aerial bird, as it always manages to strike when we're not around outside, and not the birds near the house. It has also always avoided or left alone the pullets (and roosters) in the netting right next to the meat birds - chickens that might be apt to fight back.

We have some extra roosters (that cropped up in our batch of pullets), so I think I will try putting in a few roosters to "babysit" the meat birds. Maybe overhead strings, hanging foil pans, etc. If all that fails, then its back to hiding out again, with a shotgun this time.
 
I just watched this video:
I think my attacker was a raven (vs. a crow), but then perhaps our resident crows enter the scene later and finish off the carcass.
 
If it is a raven you should contact a wildlife agency, because it is illegal to kill a raven.
If it is a crow, you can kill it during the hunting season.
What state do you live in? If you live in the midwest states it's probaly a crow; if you live in the west, northwest, or northeast it is probaly a raven


best regards,
Thebirdwisperr
 
If it is a raven you should contact a wildlife agency, because it is illegal to kill a raven. If it is a crow, you can kill it during the hunting season. What state do you live in? If you live in the midwest states it's probaly a crow; if you live in the west, northwest, or northeast it is probaly a raven best regards, Thebirdwisperr

Am in northern California-- you mean these big black birds are Ravens? What is the diff? I thought they were the same species....
 
Yes ravens do live in northern California.Nope ravens and crows aren't the same species, ravens are bigger than crows and have a tail shaped like a wedge( Hard to see unless in flight
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), ravens are also more intelligent and have shaggy throat feathers(
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although they're really hard to see, your best bet to identifying a raven is the tail feathers). Raven are also more aggressive than crows.(in the Arctic, they kill seal pups by one raven blocks the hole and the other pecks the seal in the back of the head.
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) Sorry by the way, I think you can get a vermin license to kill a raven. If not you can probably have the DNR trap and remove it.







Good luck,
Thebirdwisperr​
 

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