meat for chickens?

[deerman]

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It has everything to do with cows NOT being designed to eat meat at all. They don't go eating field mice naturally, like chickens do, cows are supposed to eat plants.

One reason it was safer to eat raw beef. cooked rare. Not raw pork or raw chicken, because they eat meat...like mice..

 

[Chicken.Lytle]

I have feed my chickens all sorts of stuff . I had a scare feeding them chicken , but after Thanksgiving I gave them big turkey parts that they could not attempt to swallow.

I never give them raw meat. Not sure if they are consuming any unauthorized protein.

 

[spartacus_63]

One reason it was safer to eat raw beef. cooked rare. Not raw pork or raw chicken, because they eat meat...like mice..

According to the CDC, eating rare or raw (undercooked) beef is no LESS dangerous than eating raw chicken or pork. All can cause salmonella poisoning, which is the highest disease rate of all undercooked meat. It is a bacteria and has nothing to do with diet. With pork or other meat eating animals, there is also the danger of trichinosis which is a parasite borne disease. There have been zero reported cases of Trichinosis from poultry through the CDC. Also with proper cooking temps both Salmonella and Trichinosis can be neutralized. The other big disease with poultry is Listeria monocytogenes which occurs due to improper handling and preparation. Listeria is abundant in nature and can be found almost anywhere, there can be a constant reintroduction of the organism into the food. It is controlled through proper cooking processes. Listeria can survive normal refrigeration and can multiply at temps as low as 34 degress.​

 

[deerman]

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According to the CDC, eating rare or raw (undercooked) beef is no LESS dangerous than eating raw chicken or pork. All can cause salmonella poisoning, which is the highest disease rate of all undercooked meat. It is a bacteria and has nothing to do with diet. With pork or other meat eating animals, there is also the danger of trichinosis which is a parasite borne disease. There have been zero reported cases of Trichinosis from poultry through the CDC. Also with proper cooking temps both Salmonella and Trichinosis can be neutralized. The other big disease with poultry is Listeria monocytogenes which occurs due to improper handling and preparation. Listeria is abundant in nature and can be found almost anywhere, there can be a constant reintroduction of the organism into the food. It is controlled through proper cooking processes. Listeria can survive normal refrigeration and can multiply at temps as low as 34 degress.

Note I said...WAS, that was before man started feeding meat byproduct to cattle, and mishandling the meat.

Trichinosis , was passed to human by eating raw or undercook meat ,from animals that ate meat.

Eating undercooked meat or feeding to other animals even chicken....is a risk now days.

 

[spartacus_63]

Note I said...WAS, that was before man started feeding meat byproduct to cattle, and mishandling the meat.

Trichinosis , was passed to human by eating raw or undercook meat ,from animals that ate meat.

Eating undercooked meat or feeding to other animals even chicken....is a risk now days.

"Was" is irrelevant. Salmonella is a bacteria that is common in nature and has nothing to do with diet. The rate of infection of Salmonella has decreased every 10 years since the CDC has started tracking it. It is down 10% over the last decade. It is still the highest cause of reported food borne illness but is mostly preventable with proper food prep. Trichinosis has all but been eliminated from commercially raised pork but is still at a high rate (42%) of infection for specific food types (of which, poultry is not one). Generally these are home raise or wild animals.

Eating undercooked meat is no more of a risk today than it was 50 years ago or 100 years ago. We just now have agencies that track AND report these incidents on a national scale.

In my humble opinion, feeding chickens raw meat does not cause a significant increased threat of contamination due to said diet. Since Salmonella is present and common in nature, the chance of introducing something new to the flock by feeding raw meat is statistically nil. Improper food preparation places us at a MUCH higher risk than treating our backyard raptors to a much appreciated chicken treat.​

 

[mulewagon]

When we're slaughtering, we throw a few guts over the fence for them to fight over. Doesn't faze 'em a bit!

When the chickies are free-ranging in the warm months, they help by clearing out baby snakes. Small frogs apparently survive by hiding under rocks in the daytime - I meet them after dusk, hopping along.

 

[PattyO]

To Sparticus I will have to disagree about raw meat being no more dangerous today than 100 years ago. Unfortunately after World War 2 came the introduction of factory farming. If you research factory farming today you will find that these animals live in filthy crowded stressfull environments. The cow is not designed to eat anything other than grass products period not even grain much less meat. Hence the need for all the antibiotics. Check out the book Slaughter House. It is a little dated but still relevant. Very interesting discussion so far.

 

[spartacus_63]

To Spartacus I will have to disagree about raw meat being no more dangerous today than 100 years ago.

I am at a loss why anyone feels that bovine eating animal protein and or grain makes the meat of that animal more toxic than that of meat of previous years. Cows are domesticated animals bred from other breeds of bovine, very similar to chickens. It is kind of a man enhanced evolution. Bovine have been eating grain since the last major extinction period. To produce enough meat to feed this country and the world, the industry needed to find alternate sources of feeds. They have devised methods to safely turn animal waste into animal feed. Not only does this method provide for an alternative feed source, it reduces the amount of waste that ends up in landfills and it reduces the competition for grain with other industries keeping prices lower.

As for medicated feeds, I do not use them, nor do I use steroids. The general purpose for the antibiotics is to boost growth and to keep infections at bay.

The bottom line is statistics. The CDC tracks these issues and they say that the rate of food borne disease from undercooked or mishandled meat is (and has been) falling. Also the highest rate of infection is Salmonella, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the critter ate or how it was medicated in life. It has to do with what it was exposed to and how it was handled during the trip from the butcher to the table. As for raw pork, you are less likely to get sick from eating raw pork today than you were 100 years ago because of the "Factory" farms. Due to their sterile and controlled environment, Trichinosis has all but been eliminated from commercially raised pork.

I am not advocating anyone feed their animals anything that they do not want their animals to eat. My issue is that by writing opinions as fact, leads to confusion for novice animal owners.​