Medicated pullet feed vs. mature hens

What is the medicine in your medicated feed? It should be on the label. Different medicines have different effects and act differently. To know how any medicine will act I think you need to know what medicine you are talking about.

The active ingredient in most of the medicated feed we buy a the feed store is Amprolium. Not all are but most are. Everything I write below is based on the thought that it is Amprolium. If it's not Ampolium then none of this applies. So assuming it is Amprolium.

My local grain & fodder told me it wouldn't harm the hens,
Correct

would just mean we can't eat their eggs.
Not correct if it is Amprolium. There is no withdrawal time for eggs or even chicken meat if the active ingredient is Amprolium.

However, I'm currently nursing one of the hens through a sour crop which I suspect she got from the medicated feed.
Sour crop is not caused by the medicine in medicated feed. There may be a problem with the feed itself, maybe it's moldy or something. That's not caused by Amprolium. If you have any questions on the feed, safely dump it where the chickens can't get to it. That is true for any infected or tainted feed.

My question is: is 10.5 weeks too young to take off medicated feed? Could I switch to a non-medicated pullet feed that would be safer for the hens?
I'll copy something I wrote years ago on medicated feed and Coccidiosis. If you read all that you can make an informed decision on medicated feed, if it is Amprolium. I'll mention a few highlights.

Amprolium is not an antibiotic. It is a thiamine blocker. I see that Geena just posted that while I was typing.

Medicated feed does not give them immunity to Coccidiosis. If Cocci is in your flock it reduces the numbers of Cocci bugs in their system and allows them to gain immunity. The live Cocci bug has to be there before they can develop immunity.

If you have it, the cocci bug lives in your soil. It takes them 2 to 3 weeks to develop immunity. So if they have been exposed to your soil for 2 to 3 weeks they should already have immunity.

Here is that write-up I mentioned.

First you need to know what the "medicated" is in the medicated feed. It should be on the label. Usually it is Amprolium, Amprol, some such product, but until you read the label, you really don't know. Most "medicated' feed from major brands for chicks that will be layers uses Amprolium, but there are a few out there mostly for broilers that use other medicines. I'll assume yours is an Amprolium product, but if it is not, then realize everything I say about it may not apply. And it is possible that the "medicated" is Amprolium AND something else.

Amprol is not an antibiotic. It does not kill anything. It inhibits the protozoa that cause coccidiosis (often called Cocci on this forum) from multiplying in the chicken's system. It does not prevent the protozoa from multiplying; it just slows that multiplication down. There are several different strains of protozoa that can cause Cocci, some more severe than others. Chickens can develop immunity to a specific strain of the protozoa, but that does not give them immunity to all protozoa that cause Cocci. Little bitty tiny baby chicks can develop that immunity easier than older chickens.

It is not a big deal for the chicken’s intestines to contain some of the protozoa that cause Cocci. The problem comes in when the number of those protozoa gets huge. The protozoa can multiply in the chicken’s intestines but also in wet manure. Different protozoa strains have different strengths, but for almost all cases, if you keep the brooder dry, you will not have a problem.

To develop immunity to a specific strain, that protozoa needs to be in the chicks intestines for two or three weeks. The normal sequence is that a chick has the protozoa. It poops and some of the cysts that develop the protozoa come out in the poop. If the poop is slightly damp, those cysts develop and will then develop in the chick's intestines when the chicks eat that poop. This cycle needs go on for a few weeks so all chicks are exposed and they are exposed long enough to develop immunity. A couple of important points here. You do need to watch them to see if they are getting sick. And the key is to keep the brooder dry yet allow some of the poop to stay damp. Not soaking wet, just barely damp. Wet poop can lead to serious problems.

What sometimes happens is that people keep chicks in a brooder and feed them medicated feed while they are in the brooder. Those chicks are never exposed to the Cocci protozoa that lives in the dirt in their run, so they never develop the immunity to it. Then, they are switched to non-medicated feed and put on the ground where they are for the first time exposed to the protozoa. They do not have immunity, they do not have the protection of the medicated feed, so they get sick. Feeding medicated feed while in the brooder was a complete waste.

I do not feed medicated feed. I keep the brooder dry to not allow the protozoa to breed uncontrollably. The third day that they are in the brooder, I take a scoop of dirt from the run and feed it to them so I can introduce the protozoa and they can develop the immunity they need to the strain they need to develop an immunity to. To provide a place for that slightly damp poop, I keep a square of plywood in the dry brooder and let the poop build up on that. I don't lose chicks to Cocci when they hit the ground.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding medicated feed to chicks, whether the protozoa are present or not. It will not hurt them. They can still develop the immunity they need. But unless the protozoa are present, it also does no good.

If you get your chicks vaccinated for Cocci, do not feed medicated feed. It can negate the vaccinations.
 
Thank you! I was fine with everyone eating medicated feed until one of my hens got a sour crop, which I'm worried is from her eating the little ones medicated feed.
There’s no reason why medicated feed would give her sour crop, unless the feed itself was moldy or something. The feed companies would go broke if their products actually caused harm to the chickens 😁
 
What is the medicine in your medicated feed? It should be on the label. Different medicines have different effects and act differently. To know how any medicine will act I think you need to know what medicine you are talking about.

The active ingredient in most of the medicated feed we buy a the feed store is Amprolium. Not all are but most are. Everything I write below is based on the thought that it is Amprolium. If it's not Ampolium then none of this applies. So assuming it is Amprolium.


Correct


Not correct if it is Amprolium. There is no withdrawal time for eggs or even chicken meat if the active ingredient is Amprolium.


Sour crop is not caused by the medicine in medicated feed. There may be a problem with the feed itself, maybe it's moldy or something. That's not caused by Amprolium. If you have any questions on the feed, safely dump it where the chickens can't get to it. That is true for any infected or tainted feed.


I'll copy something I wrote years ago on medicated feed and Coccidiosis. If you read all that you can make an informed decision on medicated feed, if it is Amprolium. I'll mention a few highlights.

Amprolium is not an antibiotic. It is a thiamine blocker. I see that Geena just posted that while I was typing.

Medicated feed does not give them immunity to Coccidiosis. If Cocci is in your flock it reduces the numbers of Cocci bugs in their system and allows them to gain immunity. The live Cocci bug has to be there before they can develop immunity.

If you have it, the cocci bug lives in your soil. It takes them 2 to 3 weeks to develop immunity. So if they have been exposed to your soil for 2 to 3 weeks they should already have immunity.

Here is that write-up I mentioned.

First you need to know what the "medicated" is in the medicated feed. It should be on the label. Usually it is Amprolium, Amprol, some such product, but until you read the label, you really don't know. Most "medicated' feed from major brands for chicks that will be layers uses Amprolium, but there are a few out there mostly for broilers that use other medicines. I'll assume yours is an Amprolium product, but if it is not, then realize everything I say about it may not apply. And it is possible that the "medicated" is Amprolium AND something else.

Amprol is not an antibiotic. It does not kill anything. It inhibits the protozoa that cause coccidiosis (often called Cocci on this forum) from multiplying in the chicken's system. It does not prevent the protozoa from multiplying; it just slows that multiplication down. There are several different strains of protozoa that can cause Cocci, some more severe than others. Chickens can develop immunity to a specific strain of the protozoa, but that does not give them immunity to all protozoa that cause Cocci. Little bitty tiny baby chicks can develop that immunity easier than older chickens.

It is not a big deal for the chicken’s intestines to contain some of the protozoa that cause Cocci. The problem comes in when the number of those protozoa gets huge. The protozoa can multiply in the chicken’s intestines but also in wet manure. Different protozoa strains have different strengths, but for almost all cases, if you keep the brooder dry, you will not have a problem.

To develop immunity to a specific strain, that protozoa needs to be in the chicks intestines for two or three weeks. The normal sequence is that a chick has the protozoa. It poops and some of the cysts that develop the protozoa come out in the poop. If the poop is slightly damp, those cysts develop and will then develop in the chick's intestines when the chicks eat that poop. This cycle needs go on for a few weeks so all chicks are exposed and they are exposed long enough to develop immunity. A couple of important points here. You do need to watch them to see if they are getting sick. And the key is to keep the brooder dry yet allow some of the poop to stay damp. Not soaking wet, just barely damp. Wet poop can lead to serious problems.

What sometimes happens is that people keep chicks in a brooder and feed them medicated feed while they are in the brooder. Those chicks are never exposed to the Cocci protozoa that lives in the dirt in their run, so they never develop the immunity to it. Then, they are switched to non-medicated feed and put on the ground where they are for the first time exposed to the protozoa. They do not have immunity, they do not have the protection of the medicated feed, so they get sick. Feeding medicated feed while in the brooder was a complete waste.

I do not feed medicated feed. I keep the brooder dry to not allow the protozoa to breed uncontrollably. The third day that they are in the brooder, I take a scoop of dirt from the run and feed it to them so I can introduce the protozoa and they can develop the immunity they need to the strain they need to develop an immunity to. To provide a place for that slightly damp poop, I keep a square of plywood in the dry brooder and let the poop build up on that. I don't lose chicks to Cocci when they hit the ground.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with feeding medicated feed to chicks, whether the protozoa are present or not. It will not hurt them. They can still develop the immunity they need. But unless the protozoa are present, it also does no good.

If you get your chicks vaccinated for Cocci, do not feed medicated feed. It can negate the vaccinations.
Thank you for this excellent information!! Super helpful, really appreciate your time in doing this.
The little trio have been spending time outdoors since probably about 6 weeks, supervised scratching out on the lawn to start, then more time in the big coop as they were transitioned.
 

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