Michigan Thread - all are welcome!

I didn't SEE any of it, only found it out after the fact. My DH said the commotion (our dogs barking in the house) was cuz the neighbors Husky had been in the yard, but he didn't think it was doing any harm. He pays little attention, and was working on some fencing to KEEP OUR OWN DOGS in so they wouldn't get in the road, we've had too many losses. The dog started on the west side of the yard and there are 6 different places in which the terror took place, feathers everywhere and he didn't even notice. When I saw the pile of white feathers I first thought MY TURKEYS, went out to look and then saw all the other places where the feathers were, at one point right on the corner by the STOP sign was a partially developed egg and more feathers. The bird must have gotten ripped open there. More feathers just across the road and not on our property. I went down and talked to the neighbor, first I asked "you have a Husky, blue eyes and a collar on?" she said yes. I told her it across the road now running around the barns over there, but it just killed one of my chickens, and I showed her a handfull of feathers, told her if it came back I would have the shotgun and I'd have to shoot it. I went home and not 2 minutes looked out the window and it was back. I took my DH handgun off the counter in the kitchen, it was available and went out to the yard. I aimed at the dog, it was in MY yard, but I didn't shoot because the shot would have gone across the road. Not a good thing. At another point around on the east side I aimed again, still yelling at the dog to get out of here, but again the neighbors house was in the background. At that point the neighbor drove up. She was driving and he got out and started yelling at me about the gun: "are you gonna shoot a family pet over a CHICKEN?" that really ruffled my feathers. I told him I was on my own property and had every right to have a gun in my hand and to defend my animals. He kept yelling at me and I said fine, I'll call the cops, walked away and called 911, while on the phone with dispatch, the dog owner walked up the driveway and talked with my husband. Dispatch was asking me where the gun was and was their conversation heated. I said the gun was on the counter, not in my hand, and the conversation sounded civil. She said she'd send someone over. Dog owner left, I walked around and took photos of all the spots where the clumps of feathers were, 6 in all. Went upstairs to start uploading them so I'd have a timeline of when I took them and somewhat when the event had occured, my husband came in and said the cops were here, so I went downstairs and he was mad at me because I'd called. First thing I told the cops was my husband was kissing the neighbors *** and would rather keep peace with them than with ME. He heard it and I don't care.
The cops took my whole report, were actually very understanding. State police, 2 of them. He looked at all my chicken tractors and stuff I make so I can keep them on fresh grass, you know and move them around. They did tell me my best course of action would be to take pics of the dog IN the yard if it came back. Like that would be my first priority!! But that if it was getting into the fenced area, in process of killing a bird, or ripping into a tractor, to do what I needed to do. So I got it from HIS mouth. BUt I've since done some searching, printed off what I found and underlined in
RED for my DH so he knows where I'm standing, obviously all alone.
I thank you all for your sympathy. I'm still pretty upset.
 
I am fully aware of the responsibilities of dog owners, I have 7 of them and 3 cats, so pets are understood around here. I also have one that is a chihuahua and he bites. He is the most loving affectionate little guy with my DH and me, but he does not like company. He has bitten a few people who haven't pressed charges, for which I'm grateful. But I know he could do it someday and the people won't be so understanding and then I will have to pay for my dogs damages, whatever that might be, medical care or even the putting down of my dog. I understand that. It's part of responsible ownership.
My neighbor has no clue as to how many books I've bought and how much reading I've done concerning my chickens. They may not be the type of animal you pick up, cuddle, kiss and take to bed, at least most of mine aren't. But they are peaceful creatures that only want to scratch, dust bathe and lay in the sun and be safe. If I have to clip wings and keep them INside the fenced run, I guess I'll have to. But there is no grass in there for them. I'll have to buy sod and lay it I guess.
I'm still really shook up and just ranting.
 
I agree with you... Some people have the opinion that "it's just chicken," and no clue how much time and money can go into "just a chicken" with very little payback. If it were cow, goat, pig, sheep, that's different, but no, it's just a chicken. Load of BS.

A person can have chickens for the eggs and feeding of their family, selling, what ever, and feel that it is just livestock, and not cuddle, pet, personalize their birds, and that person would still be vexed (using nice words) at dog-damages and do the triple S and be with in their right. This is an interference with profit, livelyhood. It is even worse emotionally for a person who values their chickens as pets. It would be just like if their dog came over and attacked the cat, dog, killing or even maiming that pet. They don't understand that these chickens have that same value, only they provide breakfast and baking ingredients.

The dog owner feels the dog has more "value," the dog as family/pet. A valued dog is not turned loose to terrorize neighboring livestock. A valued dog does on occassion get loose from its confined yard and go on walk-about. Said dog may do damage. Said owner needs to be aware that if said dog does damage to livestock, said dog just may end up in the ground. Said owner needs to be aware of this and take action to keep dog in yard. Said owner should also realise that they can be sued for damages including monetary loss that you will have by not being able to breed/sell/process the dead bird.

But it's just a chicken.

If my dogs were not my dogs, they'd be in some serious trouble (my dogs have killed 3). We have leash laws here in Holland, even the part that I live in. We had some new neighbors move in down the way late winter. I went out to take care of the birds, and I see these huge dog paws around to coop/run. They didn't try to get in, were just investigating, and then I saw the dogs. To big sheppard mixes, older dogs. Their owner comes tearing down the street in her car, to find the dogs and lure them back to her property. I told her straight up, I have chickens. My chickens roam my yard. Neighbor has chickens. They roam his yard. Please keep your dogs to your yard as I'd hate to have my birds, the neighbors birds, the neighbors down and around the corner, or even the one 3 house down from them to have to call the police and file a complaint or even shoot their dog/s for livestock damage. She said she knew, and when she realised they got out of the gate that morning, she took off to find them because she knew all about our birds from seeing them all over the yards. She was a nice lady about it, we chatted a bit, she's even bought eggs from us. Her dogs have not gotten loose since then. But there is always that off chance, and as long as they do not kill any of our birds, there will not be a problem. I don't own a gun. Carl does, the guy around the corner does. Not sure about the house 3 down from them... But I do know that Carl will not hesitate. They are livestock to him, all except one, Norma. He get's wicked mad when he has predator loss from a hawk or a raccoon. I know he's not about to hesitate over a dog running wild, and I'd be the first to help him bury it.
 
I agree with you... Some people have the opinion that "it's just chicken," and no clue how much time and money can go into "just a chicken" with very little payback. If it were cow, goat, pig, sheep, that's different, but no, it's just a chicken. Load of BS.

A person can have chickens for the eggs and feeding of their family, selling, what ever, and feel that it is just livestock, and not cuddle, pet, personalize their birds, and that person would still be vexed (using nice words) at dog-damages and do the triple S and be with in their right. This is an interference with profit, livelyhood. It is even worse emotionally for a person who values their chickens as pets. It would be just like if their dog came over and attacked the cat, dog, killing or even maiming that pet. They don't understand that these chickens have that same value, only they provide breakfast and baking ingredients.

The dog owner feels the dog has more "value," the dog as family/pet. A valued dog is not turned loose to terrorize neighboring livestock. A valued dog does on occassion get loose from its confined yard and go on walk-about. Said dog may do damage. Said owner needs to be aware that if said dog does damage to livestock, said dog just may end up in the ground. Said owner needs to be aware of this and take action to keep dog in yard. Said owner should also realise that they can be sued for damages including monetary loss that you will have by not being able to breed/sell/process the dead bird.

But it's just a chicken.

If my dogs were not my dogs, they'd be in some serious trouble (my dogs have killed 3). We have leash laws here in Holland, even the part that I live in. We had some new neighbors move in down the way late winter. I went out to take care of the birds, and I see these huge dog paws around to coop/run. They didn't try to get in, were just investigating, and then I saw the dogs. To big sheppard mixes, older dogs. Their owner comes tearing down the street in her car, to find the dogs and lure them back to her property. I told her straight up, I have chickens. My chickens roam my yard. Neighbor has chickens. They roam his yard. Please keep your dogs to your yard as I'd hate to have my birds, the neighbors birds, the neighbors down and around the corner, or even the one 3 house down from them to have to call the police and file a complaint or even shoot their dog/s for livestock damage. She said she knew, and when she realised they got out of the gate that morning, she took off to find them because she knew all about our birds from seeing them all over the yards. She was a nice lady about it, we chatted a bit, she's even bought eggs from us. Her dogs have not gotten loose since then. But there is always that off chance, and as long as they do not kill any of our birds, there will not be a problem. I don't own a gun. Carl does, the guy around the corner does. Not sure about the house 3 down from them... But I do know that Carl will not hesitate. They are livestock to him, all except one, Norma. He get's wicked mad when he has predator loss from a hawk or a raccoon. I know he's not about to hesitate over a dog running wild, and I'd be the first to help him bury it.


Could not have said it better myself. Having only had chickens for 14 weeks, I cannot believe the amount of time & investment & CARE I have put into them. In truth, more than I have had to for my dog & 3 cats (whom i love dearly!) They ARE more than "just chickens". Each has a personality. They each will provide for my family...and friends and co-workers who desire fresh eggs.

We have a saying "SSS"....."Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-up"

I am so sorry you are going thru this & not getting the support that you deserve on the home front ....
 
thank you all sooooooooooo much for the show of support. I know we probably have nothing else in common except keeping poultry, but it means alot that you understand.
Ive thought, maybe I should clip wings, that would help keep them in the fenced area. But IF IF IF one still managed to get out of there, it would have absolutely NO defense whatsoever. I think a chicken can only run, and/or fly to the extent it can to save it's own life. They only want to be happy and live their simple lives and socialize with the others, raise their broods, scratch, dust bathe and lay eggs in peace. they are such peaceful creatures and give so much joy. I will hate it if I have to clip their wings and confine them, I'd rather give them all away.
I had just done a head count the other day, from the babies all the way up to the mature layers and roosters I have 28. Make that 26 now. I had gotten a 2nd incubator, don't think I'll be using it now, just so sick about this. And I know that dog will be back, if it ever manages to get out again. It will be back.
I thought I'd forgotten the combination to the gun safe, but I remembered it, I now have my 12 guage standing in my closet next to the bed. I'll be taking it to the gun range in town tomorrow to have them show me how to load and shoot it. Ive had it awhile but have never shot it. Not even going to ask my "dh". I will buy some shells and just go. If I don't like how it shoots, I'll get out the 20 guage, that one is simple enough.
I guess you can tell I haven't managed to get to sleep tonight, it's 4:41 a.m . now.
 
12 gauge shoot just like 20; just a little more kick. As long as ur holding it & standing properly, no issues. I don't even have a 20 anymore. Prefer my 12.
You'll do fine :)
Try & get some rest.
Do NOT go to range tired. You need the right mind set. Gun safey is first & foremost. (IMHO )
 
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I had my first encounter with a neighbors dog killing a chicken? 911 called, reports taken, cops have talked with me and the neighbor.
I have one definate loss, one of my Chantecler was killed. And a Brahma is missing. What are my rights as a chicken owner?? Where do I go to look at what the law says? I know many of you have probably already had this problem, I just wanna know before anything else happens. The cops told me because it was a HUSKY, and it has tasted blood, it will probably be back if it gets the chance. I DO NOT want the owners to lose their dog, but I am not optimistic about this at all. My husband did not stand with me, was more sympathetic with the dog owner and was mad at me bacause I call the cops and reported it.
But I'd gone down and spoke with the neighbors and told them if it came back I'd have the shotgun out and not 2 minutes after I got home, I looked out the window and the dog was back. I was out in the yard with a handgun when the neighbors pulled up, yelling at me about the gun while the dog was eyeing up the rest of my chickens.
I do let my chickens out of a chain link fenced yard to run the rest of the yard, because thats where the grass is. What am I to do now. I've been in tears, had the run in with the neighbor, spoken to state police and had words with my husband. I feel like I'm all alone
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I'm sorry for your loss. Putting an electric fence with enough wires to ensure that the dog gets shocked on your property between your place and their's might solve your problem. If the dog gets a poke, he won't realize where it came from and should avoid going there again. Its a big enough dog that the fence won't inhibit your chickens at all.
 
I'm sorry for your loss.  Putting an electric fence with enough wires to ensure that the dog gets shocked on your property between your place and their's might solve your  problem.  If the dog gets a poke, he won't realize where it came from and should avoid going there again. Its a big enough dog that the fence won't inhibit your chickens at all.

You are right. Those fences work. My 140 lb Rottie bumped the hot fence on the one side of my yard that separates my property from the farm next door. Didn't seriously hurt him any, but that was 5 yrs ago & he hasn't gone near there since!
 
Starting a morning without my coffee is something to horrible to consider. I take great pains to insure that my larder is well stocked with dark roast. The first pot of the day is gone and the second just finished brewing. So grab a cup from the cupboard and help yourself. We can sit a spell, figure out how we'd save the world if we were in charge. Wouldn't it be nice if you could slap someone up side the head when they make stupid comments like "it's only a chicken". What makes their critter more precious than yours?
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Yesterday I had hoped to take the boat out to see how it performs now that I've installed the new impeller. Since a boat launch is only 5 minutes away I thought it might be prudent to first check how crowded it was before dragging the boat there. While I expected it to be busy I never thought that it would be a crowded as it was. It was almost like everyone in Livingston County had decided to go boating. The parking lot at the launch was completely filled and a much larger lot a block away was filled as well. I now realize that I will only be using the boat on week days.

I may go today as I will need to practice launching and loading the boat by myself. While it is my intent to take Granny fishing quite often this summer she isn't able to be of any assistance. I'm fairly confident that I will be able to do it solo but only time will tell.
 
I agree with you... Some people have the opinion that "it's just chicken," and no clue how much time and money can go into "just a chicken" with very little payback. If it were cow, goat, pig, sheep, that's different, but no, it's just a chicken. Load of BS.

A person can have chickens for the eggs and feeding of their family, selling, what ever, and feel that it is just livestock, and not cuddle, pet, personalize their birds, and that person would still be vexed (using nice words) at dog-damages and do the triple S and be with in their right. This is an interference with profit, livelyhood. It is even worse emotionally for a person who values their chickens as pets. It would be just like if their dog came over and attacked the cat, dog, killing or even maiming that pet. They don't understand that these chickens have that same value, only they provide breakfast and baking ingredients.

The dog owner feels the dog has more "value," the dog as family/pet. A valued dog is not turned loose to terrorize neighboring livestock. A valued dog does on occassion get loose from its confined yard and go on walk-about. Said dog may do damage. Said owner needs to be aware that if said dog does damage to livestock, said dog just may end up in the ground. Said owner needs to be aware of this and take action to keep dog in yard. Said owner should also realise that they can be sued for damages including monetary loss that you will have by not being able to breed/sell/process the dead bird.

But it's just a chicken.

If my dogs were not my dogs, they'd be in some serious trouble (my dogs have killed 3). We have leash laws here in Holland, even the part that I live in. We had some new neighbors move in down the way late winter. I went out to take care of the birds, and I see these huge dog paws around to coop/run. They didn't try to get in, were just investigating, and then I saw the dogs. To big sheppard mixes, older dogs. Their owner comes tearing down the street in her car, to find the dogs and lure them back to her property. I told her straight up, I have chickens. My chickens roam my yard. Neighbor has chickens. They roam his yard. Please keep your dogs to your yard as I'd hate to have my birds, the neighbors birds, the neighbors down and around the corner, or even the one 3 house down from them to have to call the police and file a complaint or even shoot their dog/s for livestock damage. She said she knew, and when she realised they got out of the gate that morning, she took off to find them because she knew all about our birds from seeing them all over the yards. She was a nice lady about it, we chatted a bit, she's even bought eggs from us. Her dogs have not gotten loose since then. But there is always that off chance, and as long as they do not kill any of our birds, there will not be a problem. I don't own a gun. Carl does, the guy around the corner does. Not sure about the house 3 down from them... But I do know that Carl will not hesitate. They are livestock to him, all except one, Norma. He get's wicked mad when he has predator loss from a hawk or a raccoon. I know he's not about to hesitate over a dog running wild, and I'd be the first to help him bury it.
I agree... I had a showmanship bird a few years ago that the neighbors dog got......a $55 Aracauna at that and the neighbor told me its just a chicken quite freaking out.
 

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