Mille Fleur d'uccle/Porcelain d'uccle?

[americana-chick]

Has anyone ever bred mille Fleurs and Porcelain d'uccles together? I would love to see what the offspring looked like

 

[Chris09]

The Porcelain color is just the Mille Fleur color with the Lavender (Lav) Gene introduced.
So the offspring I beleve would come out Mille Fleur. Then you take those and cross them back to the parents, and you should get Mille Fleur and Porcelain..

Chris

 

[americana-chick]

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Really? That is really neat

So some breeders might say they have pure mille fleurs but they could be a cross between a mille and porcelain?

 

[Chris09]

americana-chick --
This might help you out..
Lavender Gene (lav) --

"This is a simple recessive gene that dilutes black to a pale gray ("lavender") and red to a buff or cream.
It can operate on any base pattern, changing black birds to self lavenders, as seen in the lavender Araucanas; and on the spotted
milleflur pattern to produce the pretty and popular Porcelain (Barbu) d'Uccles bantams."
Quote above from David Scrivener's book Exhibition Poultry Keeping.

"The milleflur pattern is diluted by the lavender gene. It is quite normal to cross these two color varieties of d'Uccles."
Quote above from Divid Scrivener's book Exhibition Poultry Keeping.

Page 139 has more imformation about the Lavender Gene Self Blue
http://www.google.com/books?id=VMSF...eeding+and+Genetics&cd=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Chris

 

[TurtleFeathers]

The breed is D'uccle - porcelain is just a variety (color/pattern type) of d'uccle, as is mille fleur. You can cross the two colors and still have a "pure" d'uccle. Its kind of like breeding a black poodle to a white poodle - they're still "pure" poodles, just different colors.

Genetically, porcelain is just visual lavender added to mille fleur.

You can breed a mille fleur d'uccle and a porcelain d'uccle together - you would get visual mille fleur offspring that is split to (carries) lavender in the F1 generation.

In order to get porcelain in the F2 generation, you would need to breed the F1's to a porcelain (ie. possibly their porcelain parent), or to another mille fleur split to lavender (ie. possibly breed F1 siblings together).

 

[GypsyChic]

I have a question now then...what happens when breeding porc back to lavs? does this further dilute the genes showing a visual lav or would they still be a split? I've got several "project" birds and am working on various colors & patterns, so this thread is good education for me. I would also like to know what happens when breeding white to mille and/or lavender?

These are colors I have, but have kept seperate and am trying to work on various additions. Would like to find a few quality whites to add to my very SMALL program too

 

[TurtleFeathers]

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Assuming there are no other genes involved, breeding a lavender to a porcelain would give you visual lavenders split to pied/mottled. With the white, it depends on whether its recessive white or dominant white. Either way, white basically "turns off" color - so if you're breeding FOR color, don't use a white.

 

[GypsyChic]

Thanks for the info, I kinda figured this to be true since that's how it is with silkies, ect.