mille fleur x mottled cochin Krys? Patty?

[Krys109uk]

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, probably a duck.

I'd agree if the bird in question looked more like a mille fleur X mille fleur but it doesn't. Also the type having improved rather more like the mottled in type would indicate that to be a possiblity.

The time is not impossible.

Msbear wrote: I collected all the eggs ...even some gathered just days after being with the mottled roo and whichever ones were fertile ...hatched and this is what I got

Also I've just spotted this....

Msbear wrote I forgot to add her mother may have been my buff columbian looking mille cross. Her father was a dark patterned mille and her mother a pure buff columbian.

This could be the answer to the mystery. Have you got a pic of the dark patterned millie father of your buff columbian looking hen?

That could account for lack of proper mottling & the gold leakage.

I'd guess that the above mentioned female is the mother & that the grandfather lacked one or both columbian genes.
This would mean, genetically, either the mottled or the mille male could be the father.
I could go into probablility of the bird having come from the black mottled male v the mille male. There is little point in writing out the workings for probability, as probability is of little use when talking about such small numbers. All things being equal, & had both males been in the pen at the same time (which I realise they weren't), statistically the probablility of the father being the mottled would be approx twice that of the mille male. But as I said that means nothing.

All you can be sure about is that the pullet carries mottling & has nice type.

 

[Krys109uk]

Krys, you say columbian restricts black so a bird with the columbian gene could not be the parent, right?

Columbian restricts black in certain ways. The columbian gene is incompletely dominant, so just because a bird looks columbian it does not mean all of its offspring will inherit the gene. In males one cannot easily tell the homozygote from the heterozygote by eye. So a bird with one columbian gene could be the parent.

We are making mille from buff columbian. These birds all have black in the body as well as tail and hackles. So, it's my belief that once a pure buff columbian is crossed with mille or mottled, you are only getting one dose so that would relax the restrictors so to speak, right?

Well kind of.

so a buff columbian x mille cross hen could be the parent. She is much darker than my lighter mille hen so I suspect she is the mother.

Not sure I quite follow that. The buff columbian female you described earlier sound like the mother. Is this the female you describe here?

Now, my mille roo is real red with not enough black... I don't believe he could've fathered this pullet or the mottled cockerel?

How much black the male has or has not will not really be affected by whether the males het or pure for columbian. It is most noteale in females & more affects the distribtion of the black.

Many of my mille offspring do not have enough black in the back. These are the ones that hatch out wheaten. I believe these are showing stronger columbian genes??

It's not quite like that. It is more to do with the amount of black pigment in wheaten birds. I think, probably, with wheatens melanisers are needed. Two columbian genes are necessary for the birds to consistently breed true. Columbian re-distributes the black.

The darker ones have much better patterns but the background color is off. Im trying to put the nice patterned ones back to the nice buff colored ones to see if that will help.

Sounds like a plan.​

 

[Msbear]

Thank you Patty and Krys. I'll have to wait til she's fully mature and, if the type, is still much better than the other pullets, I'll be sure her daddy is the mottled.

Boy, they need to have a Maury Povich show for chickens!!!

Krys, since you're not from these parts, I'll break it down for you. Maury offers DNA testing for the mommas who don't know who their baby's daddy is

...add some baby momma drama and you have a television show here in the US.

Here's my buff columbian looking hen's parents

 

[Krys109uk]

Boy, they need to have a Maury Povich show for chickens!!!

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As I thought the male in that pic doesn't appear to have columbian. Seems your pullet didn't inherit columbian or mottling from her mother.​