MITES!

littlelizzy123

Songster
6 Years
Apr 15, 2014
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Colorado Springs, CO
My Coop
My Coop
MITES!

I'm only yelling because I'm upset.

I never noticed them. They're small. Really, really small. Freakishly small. The chickens seem healthy, happy, noisy. Eating, pooping, scratching, trying to find ways into the garden. Egg production is down, and one's sort of raggedy looking, but molt season is starting. And then, I pick up an egg. Something on the egg MOVES! I freak, adrenaline floods my brain, and I throw said egg like a young Randy Johnson throws a fastball (sans mullet).

I calm myself, and fingertips prickling, pick up another egg. Teeny, tiny, little bugs, blackish brown, are on the eggs. So they must be on the walls. The roost. In the nest boxes, which are made of wood. The whole dang coop is made of wood, with VCT tile for a floor and halfway up the walls. My skin crawls. I can't see them, but they have to be there. I pick up each bird (catch them with the Hubs' long-handled fishing net, more like, because they don't really like people and even if you have food, they prefer you lay down your offering and back away slowly) and while in my brain, I KNOW the bugs are there, I can't find any. And I then think to myself, 'if my free range chickens picked up lice or mites or whatever from wild birds, then they probably picked up worms, too,' which squeeks me out even more. So I run to Big R (our local farm store) and go crazy. Permethrin, DE, Stall-Dri, new nest boxes, new pine shavings, Panacur, Save-A-Chick for when the Panacur blows out their chick-tums.

I'm itching. I'm squirming, just thinking about it all, because what if there's mites on me?!

The checkout lady must think I've got the beginning stages of mad cow disease. Maybe she's not wrong.

I get home, load up my syringes, and with mathematical precision (because I'm a pharmacy tech) and huge green dish gloves (because I'm a coward), I mix up my targeted poisons, and get to work.

It's a rodeo. Nobody wants wormed (apple-cinnamon flavored or not), nobody wants sprayed, nobody wants Vaseline on their legs (because I'm sure there's mites in their scales), nobody wants to be touched, handled, talked sweet to, and certainly not wrapped in a towel-burrito and told to hold still.

But I get the wormer down, soak their butts and armpits and shoulders and little angry squawky heads with Permethrin. I tear apart the nest boxes and replace them with plastic ones, clean everything out, spray everything with bleach solution, and then DROWN the whole shebang in Permethrin. The inside, the outside, the doors, the windows, the cracks and crannies, even the run. I rake the run, sprinkle DE in the holes they excavate. I put up fly traps because, hey, why not?

That all said, is there anything else I should be doing?
 
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Wow sounds like a tough one. Im going through the same thing. Ive been dusting my chickens in mite powder etc.

Also be laying that around corners, egg boxes and the walls.

Be careful though, ive had a few (more like a lot!) Of them tiny mites on me!!! Eek
I know.

It was so horrible. So make sure you wash your clothes when you are our there and yourself! Really well.
 
Hi. :frow

Permethrin is effective. DE is dangerous and strip mined IMO.

What I don't understand is why worm for mites? And NO just because you have one type doesn't mean you have scaly leg mites. And NONE of those treatment will work for depluming mites (except maybe the wormer depending on type). Not familiar if stall dry is safe for chickens or not..

Sounds like you got it handled and even went a little overboard.

Those tiny mites MIGHT get on humans but they won't stay there.

They might have picked it up from rodents and not other wild birds. You are right though there may be some you can't see. Some mites are microscopic. Other don't live on the birds but in the cracks of the roost and only come out to feed on the birds at night. If you didn't check which worm species to treat for and just treated your birds then you might not be helping them at all, maybe even just causing more hardship.

I need to get me one of those fishing nets. But for your future reference, waiting until they go to roost and settle down a little.. using a flashlight and keeping it dark, I can treat all of my birds calmly without ever chasing them. Remove from roost and replace one at a time. :)

Since you have a very effective, safe, affordable and easy to use treatment in the permethrin I would skip the DE. To me it's like putting a dirty band aid on top of a broken arm cast, pointless. But that's me.. I know we all have different ideas.

Hope you got it nipped in the bud!
 
Hi. :frow

Permethrin is effective. DE is dangerous and strip mined IMO.

What I don't understand is why worm for mites? And NO just because you have one type doesn't mean you have scaly leg mites. And NONE of those treatment will work for depluming mites (except maybe the wormer depending on type). Not familiar if stall dry is safe for chickens or not..

Sounds like you got it handled and even went a little overboard.

Those tiny mites MIGHT get on humans but they won't stay there.

They might have picked it up from rodents and not other wild birds. You are right though there may be some you can't see. Some mites are microscopic. Other don't live on the birds but in the cracks of the roost and only come out to feed on the birds at night. If you didn't check which worm species to treat for and just treated your birds then you might not be helping them at all, maybe even just causing more hardship.

I need to get me one of those fishing nets. But for your future reference, waiting until they go to roost and settle down a little.. using a flashlight and keeping it dark, I can treat all of my birds calmly without ever chasing them. Remove from roost and replace one at a time. :)

Since you have a very effective, safe, affordable and easy to use treatment in the permethrin I would skip the DE. To me it's like putting a dirty band aid on top of a broken arm cast, pointless. But that's me.. I know we all have different ideas.

Hope you got it nipped in the bud!

I wormed for worms and sprayed for mites and lice. I don't know what worms they might have, but I did notice runny poops, and one of the girls had an extremely poopy butt. She's fluffy, so that's to be expected, but they've never been wormed before and my extension office did suggest a yearly deworming schedule for my area. That's why I got the Panacur, to catch any worms they might have because it's the broadest spectrum available.

I've heard DE is good to add for dust baths along with wood ash. I don't think I'd use it as a sole preventative or cure, but that's just my opinion.

I don't know if it's lice or mites, but I did notice that their legs are rough and the scales are starting to lift. I don't know if this is normal, but the poor brahma (Monica Muddbutt) looks like absolute sin. Foot feathers a mess, scaly, dry, just awful. So I think the Vaseline might at least soothe the irritated spots.

I have a ton of wild birds, but no evidence of mice or rats. My crazy cat tales care of them I think. The squirrels, however, are a different story.

Are you saying permethrin sprayed on the birds isn't effective? I didn't want to use dust because I was afraid of us breathing it in.
 
For scaly leg mites like you said the scales are lifting up.

I dipped my chickens feet and legs (not feathers!) In cheap gasoline.

I placed it in a small tub and washed the chickens feet first and held them in the tub for like 1 min or less. I repeated this every other day for a while ( a week or two) and the scales came off the chickens feet and they looked healthier.

They look fine now all scaley mites gone!
 
Permethrin spray works well on the birds, at night when they are roosting, and on in the coop, It will get in those little places that can't be powdered, and on the walls. Forget the DE, and the gasoline. WOW! In the USA, there are no approved effective wormers for laying hens, so at least have fecals run so you know what the possible problems might be, and can make a good decision about using a wormer, or not, and which one to use. Mites and lice are very creepy! Mary
 
No I am saying the Permethrin spray IS very effective. It's the DE I would worry about breathing in and don't want my birds breathing or getting in their eyes and such.

I have read all kinds of things are good or bad, Have to take all the info you have and make YOUR best decision. To me no matter how many people I see claiming to worm with DE... they are wrong (just as an example I know that's not what you did). So I don't care about claims, I care about the truth and like to see studies that support.

Wish I had a crazy cat to handle rodents, that wouldn't go after chicks as well. But yes the squirrels are probably carriers just as much as rats or mice. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there though. I have NEVER seen a raccoon at my place but surely had a duck scalped a couple weeks ago. I'm just sharing my info, I don't mean for it to sound ugly at all! We are all friends and here to learn from each other. :)

Ivermectin wormer will work for scaly leg mites. I'd have to be crazy to dip them in ANY gasoline cheap or otherwise (I might do that with the permethrin). But the Vaseline should also work by smothering them. I have heard some people use shortening like crisco since it's edible! :p

I'm in the PNW so we've got all the wild birds and tons of other animals as well. It's definitely a challenge and I know there will always have to be some kind of parasitic maintenance routine on my part as well. Learning how things change seasonally and such I think will help (me).
 
No I am saying the Permethrin spray IS very effective. It's the DE I would worry about breathing in and don't want my birds breathing or getting in their eyes and such.

I have read all kinds of things are good or bad, Have to take all the info you have and make YOUR best decision. To me no matter how many people I see claiming to worm with DE... they are wrong (just as an example I know that's not what you did). So I don't care about claims, I care about the truth and like to see studies that support.

Wish I had a crazy cat to handle rodents, that wouldn't go after chicks as well. But yes the squirrels are probably carriers just as much as rats or mice. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there though. I have NEVER seen a raccoon at my place but surely had a duck scalped a couple weeks ago. I'm just sharing my info, I don't mean for it to sound ugly at all! We are all friends and here to learn from each other. :)

Ivermectin wormer will work for scaly leg mites. I'd have to be crazy to dip them in ANY gasoline cheap or otherwise (I might do that with the permethrin). But the Vaseline should also work by smothering them. I have heard some people use shortening like crisco since it's edible! :p

I'm in the PNW so we've got all the wild birds and tons of other animals as well. It's definitely a challenge and I know there will always have to be some kind of parasitic maintenance routine on my part as well. Learning how things change seasonally and such I think will help (me).

Glad to know I did a few things right! We'll keep it up and I'll report back!
 
Just a quick note on DE....

The animal grade is filled with clay but the food grad is way better... I was having the breathing issues with my Flock with using animal grade... Switched to food grade and saw great improvement in that area.

And I have been using it for 7 years Now and love it. :)
 
Just a quick note on DE....

The animal grade is filled with clay but the food grad is way better... I was having the breathing issues with my Flock with using animal grade... Switched to food grade and saw great improvement in that area.

And I have been using it for 7 years Now and love it. :)

Regardless of grade, they are ALL filled with microscopic shards that are meant to create cuts on said parasites. Just because the immune system on the chickens is working fast enough to repair the abrasions created by the DE doesn't mean it should have to. Self healing bodies... science fiction IS science reality!

http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2016/12/the-cut-dry-truth-about-diatomaceous.html
 

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