mixing flock with NPIP birds

[chickengeorgeto]

Thanks for all the info folks .... The question i should of asked or at least researched is whether or not NPIP flocks are vaccinated more so than not.....

The diseases that the NPIP is most concerned with are the bad and easily transmitted, chronic diseases that don't have effective vaccines. So if you are buying chicks or hatching eggs from a NPIP flock you are also buying years and years of careful chicken husbandry. But the above does not mean that the hen and/or rooster that is responsible for producing the hatching egg or chick has been tested, although they may have been.

 

[luckydux]

To me the real question should have been, "Is it ok to mix chicks from NON NPIP sources with chicks from NPIP certified disease free flocks?"  When the question is asked that way the answer is no.

When worded your way it seems to insinuate that non-npip flocks are diseased. I'm honestly not too concerned with the diseases that are tested by most npip states. Its the many diseases that can pass thru via the egg to the chick that worries me.

Most everybody I know [ who breeds chickens] participates in he NPIP program & very few of them vaccinate. Not a scientific answer I know but NPIP certification & vaccination is kind of an apples & oranges thing-there's no real connection between the 2.
I guess I'm not real clear as to what your actual concern is.

Your answer is right on par with what im curious about, thank you.

 

[NYREDS]

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The NPIP program doesn't certify flocks to be disease free as there are a number of poultry diseases the program doesn't test for.

 

[Ridgerunner]

To me the real question should have been, "Is it ok to mix chicks from NON NPIP sources with chicks from NPIP certified disease free flocks?"  When the question is asked that way the answer is no.

Why not? I mix hatchery chicks which are NPIP with chicks I hatch from my flock which is not NPIP. None of them are vaccinated for anything. They do fine.

I don’t sell my eggs or chickens across state lines and I don’t take my chickens to any shows or swaps. If I ever decide to start selling hatching eggs I’ll probably go through the course and become a certified NPIP tester so I could certify my own flock. But until then, if ever, I’m not worried about it.

The way I read the Original Poster's question, the issue was what diseases might the non-NPIP chicks get from the vaccinated NPIP chicks that are now carriers of the diseases NPIP required them to be vaccinated for. How dangerous are the NPIP chicks to the non-NPIP chicks. Since the NPIP chicks are not required to be vaccinated, the question is now moot. There are no issues because of NPIP.

I think it was a reasonable question and I hope Luckydux has gathered that NPIP does not require vaccinations. Luckydux, if you are getting NPIP chicks, contact the source and talk to them about vaccinations. They are the only ones that know if they vaccinate for anything or not. If you are getting non-NPIP chicks, talk to that source too. Don’t take anything for granted. It doesn't matter if 20,000 don't and 1 does. You might be talking to that one.

 

[donrae]

The diseases that the NPIP is most concerned with are the bad and easily transmitted, chronic diseases that don't have effective vaccines. So if you are buying chicks or hatching eggs from a NPIP flock you are also buying years and years of careful chicken husbandry. But the above does not mean that the hen and/or rooster that is responsible for producing the hatching egg or chick has been tested, although they may have been.

It would be nice to think this were true, but it's not.

I've seen folks on this board buy birds from a hatchery, first time owning birds, and get NPIP certified all in the same year. The NPIP doesn't mean there's been years of careful husbandry, it just means the bird(s) tested were clean for those specific diseases.

I'm not NPIP certified, don't plan to be anytime soon. I'm not at the level of interstate anything, so not much of an issue for me. But I challenge anyone to have a "cleaner", more disease free flock than I do. Some birds were probably vaccinated, those I bought as day old chicks from a hatchery/resold through a feed store. Home hatched birds aren't vaccinated. No one's sick or unthrifty.

 

[NYREDS]

It would be nice to think this were true, but it's not.

I've seen folks on this board buy birds from a hatchery, first time owning birds, and get NPIP certified all in the same year. The NPIP doesn't mean there's been years of careful husbandry, it just means the bird(s) tested were clean for those specific diseases.

I'm not NPIP certified, don't plan to be anytime soon. I'm not at the level of interstate anything, so not much of an issue for me. But I challenge anyone to have a "cleaner", more disease free flock than I do. Some birds were probably vaccinated, those I bought as day old chicks from a hatchery/resold through a feed store. Home hatched birds aren't vaccinated. No one's sick or unthrifty.

You're right. There is no time requirement connected to NPIP certification. You can buy chickens today, have them tested tomorrow & if they test clean you get certification.

 

[NYREDS]

Why not? I mix hatchery chicks which are NPIP with chicks I hatch from my flock which is not NPIP. None of them are vaccinated for anything. They do fine.

I don’t sell my eggs or chickens across state lines and I don’t take my chickens to any shows or swaps. If I ever decide to start selling hatching eggs I’ll probably go through the course and become a certified NPIP tester so I could certify my own flock. But until then, if ever, I’m not worried about it.

The way I read the Original Poster's question, the issue was what diseases might the non-NPIP chicks get from the vaccinated NPIP chicks that are now carriers of the diseases NPIP required them to be vaccinated for. How dangerous are the NPIP chicks to the non-NPIP chicks. Since the NPIP chicks are not required to be vaccinated, the question is now moot. There are no issues because of NPIP.

I think it was a reasonable question and I hope Luckydux has gathered that NPIP does not require vaccinations. Luckydux, if you are getting NPIP chicks, contact the source and talk to them about vaccinations. They are the only ones that know if they vaccinate for anything or not. If you are getting non-NPIP chicks, talk to that source too. Don’t take anything for granted. It doesn't matter if 20,000 don't and 1 does. You might be talking to that one.

oops-read it wrong

 

[luckydux]

The way I read the Original Poster's question, the issue was what diseases might the non-NPIP chicks get from the vaccinated NPIP chicks that are now carriers of the diseases NPIP required them to be vaccinated for. How dangerous are the NPIP chicks to the non-NPIP chicks. Since the NPIP chicks are not required to be vaccinated, the question is now moot. There are no issues because of NPIP.

I think it was a reasonable question and I hope Luckydux has gathered that NPIP does not require vaccinations. Luckydux, if you are getting NPIP chicks, contact the source and talk to them about vaccinations. They are the only ones that know if they vaccinate for anything or not. If you are getting non-NPIP chicks, talk to that source too. Don’t take anything for granted. It doesn't matter if 20,000 don't and 1 does. You might be talking to that one.

Thank you, that about sums it up. I do plan on asking about vaccinations from now on when buying chicks or hatching eggs. Wish I would of thought about a possible issue long ago..live and learn.

I apologize to everyone for my choice of words most of the time..its hard for me to relay my thoughts through typing, it just never seems to come out right.