Multipronged absolute disaster

fat marans

In the Brooder
Jul 22, 2017
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Their nasty conditions cause me to writhe like a captured mealworm for days on end, but at least it is not a rapidly fatal problem. I understand that the admin encourages reading the reference forum and links, but because of severe private problems I will post here as I do the research to possibly save time for the poor birds.

1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.)

One of each: Cuckoo Marans, buff orp, delaware, misidentified blackstar?, misidentified redstar?, fat ameraucauna, thin ameraucauna. Weights seem to vary with individual and over time, so no measurements.

2) What is the behavior, exactly.
All or most hens have dirty vent feathers. The blackstar? and some others have no vent feathers at all, and red area is inflamed-looking and rather disgusting.

3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?
I estimate it's been going on for more than a year (gulp!)

4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?

See 2)

5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.
See 2)

6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
Sparrows invade the feeders daily, water is nasty, food nasty (poop, possible insect infestation), outdoors area pooped (coop gets cleaned frequently)

7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
See 6), feeding seems otherwise normal

8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
Seems fine. Some droppings look "dyed" red, but not blood-red. This may be red food coloring from feed.

9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
Relentless worrying and fruitless research

10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?
First move entire flock to a "clean zone" with clean food, clean bedding, etc. (Couldn't find much info on group quarantines, is this a good idea?), check for coop and body parasites, and perhaps run to the vet while they recover. Then do a massive anti-feces campaign in the cage and coop roof, replace bad water, food, etc. Get a roof for the outdoors enclosure so thin ameraucauna doesn't fly out, sparrows don't enter, reinforce coop and enclosure against predators.

11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
Not yet.

12) Describe the housing/bedding in use
Coop and run inside a large deer-netting enclosure. Roof for coop and run, but not enclosure. Two sides are concrete walls. Enclosure floor is rocks, poop, flies, with some areas containing leaflitter, very old grass clippings, or dust. Coop floor is grass clippings, with some rocks and more poop. Nest/sleeping area is green dried alfalfa hay, which I am a bit suspicious of.
 
Their nasty conditions cause me to writhe like a captured mealworm for days on end, but at least it is not a rapidly fatal problem. I understand that the admin encourages reading the reference forum and links, but because of severe private problems I will post here as I do the research to possibly save time for the poor birds.

1) What type of bird , age and weight (does the chicken seem or feel lighter or thinner than the others.)

One of each: Cuckoo Marans, buff orp, delaware, misidentified blackstar?, misidentified redstar?, fat ameraucauna, thin ameraucauna. Weights seem to vary with individual and over time, so no measurements.

2) What is the behavior, exactly.
All or most hens have dirty vent feathers. The blackstar? and some others have no vent feathers at all, and red area is inflamed-looking and rather disgusting.

3) How long has the bird been exhibiting symptoms?
I estimate it's been going on for more than a year (gulp!)

4) Are other birds exhibiting the same symptoms?

See 2)

5) Is there any bleeding, injury, broken bones or other sign of trauma.
See 2)

6) What happened, if anything that you know of, that may have caused the situation.
Sparrows invade the feeders daily, water is nasty, food nasty (poop, possible insect infestation), outdoors area pooped (coop gets cleaned frequently)

7) What has the bird been eating and drinking, if at all.
See 6), feeding seems otherwise normal

8) How does the poop look? Normal? Bloody? Runny? etc.
Seems fine. Some droppings look "dyed" red, but not blood-red. This may be red food coloring from feed.

9) What has been the treatment you have administered so far?
Relentless worrying and fruitless research

10 ) What is your intent as far as treatment? For example, do you want to treat completely yourself, or do you need help in stabilizing the bird til you can get to a vet?
First move entire flock to a "clean zone" with clean food, clean bedding, etc. (Couldn't find much info on group quarantines, is this a good idea?), check for coop and body parasites, and perhaps run to the vet while they recover. Then do a massive anti-feces campaign in the cage and coop roof, replace bad water, food, etc. Get a roof for the outdoors enclosure so thin ameraucauna doesn't fly out, sparrows don't enter, reinforce coop and enclosure against predators.

11) If you have a picture of the wound or condition, please post it. It may help.
Not yet.

12) Describe the housing/bedding in use
Coop and run inside a large deer-netting enclosure. Roof for coop and run, but not enclosure. Two sides are concrete walls. Enclosure floor is rocks, poop, flies, with some areas containing leaflitter, very old grass clippings, or dust. Coop floor is grass clippings, with some rocks and more poop. Nest/sleeping area is green dried alfalfa hay, which I am a bit suspicious of.
First thing I would while cleaning up is get stool sample to vet to check for worms, and add vitamins to there water. Good luck with the disaster.
 
I agree with having the poop checked...second thing I would do is check for mites and treat the coop with a permethrin spray.
 
Thanks a lot, those are in my plans. :)

Any advice on how to clean up the outdoor enclosure poop and keep it clean?
 
Deep litter. First shovel out all the poop to the best of your ability to compost, then put down 1' of untreated wood chips. You can probably get some from a local tree company for free or cheap. Let them just sit for a week or so while you treat the birds, turning it hastily (as in sloppy and haphazard, don't put too much effort into this) with a pitchfork every 2-3 days.
Make sure you don't have too many birds in too small of a space. 10sqft minimum per bird, more is better.
Elevate feeders and waterers well away from the ground using pallets or something.
 
Anyone have advice for how to set up a "recovery zone", stepbystep, for them to be treated in? I searched google for quarantining with no luck yet.

(Desired answers: Should I plunk them in the same area since they are probably all infected with vent problems? How do I prevent dropping buildup in such a small area? And how will I ever get all that dropping residue off their feet?)

Thank you very much in advance!
 
It would really be helpful if you can post some photos so we can see what you are asking.

You want desired answers, but you need to give info.

How small of an area are you talking about, for how many birds?
What breed of birds - are these meat birds or layers?
Any birds that have been housed together would be exposed to whatever illnesses, conditions, parasites, etc.
How old are birds?
Is it really poop that is on the feet or do they have something like scaly leg mites in addition to feces?
What kind of vent problems do you mean - pasty butt, vent gleet, prolapse, etc.?

How much space do you have that you can secure them if you move them? Dog kennels, secured fencing, etc. are options depending on the number of birds, but they need to be protected from predators.

I'm sorry you are not getting the answers you want, but it's hard to know exactly what you are asking.

General cleaning up of encrusted feet would be to soak the legs and feet in warm soapy water 10-15minutes, then gently scrub with a soft brush to help loosen debris. This may not get all off, depending on buildup. Put birds in clean coop/run or housing on dry bedding. You may need to repeat soak and scrubbing for a period of days.

For dirty vent issues - it's hard to know....soak in warm soapy water, clean up poop, cut out any clumps of poop. If they have other issues like Gleet or prolapse, those would need extra care.
 

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