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Ok this might be a gross question then. Are worms still healthy if I boiled them first? Also are minnows and crabs at least safe for a natural source of protein. I also have millions of marsh snails I can feed them.
 
RyanGriffeth said:
Ok this might be a gross question then. Are worms still healthy if I boiled them first? Also are minnows and crabs at least safe for a natural source of protein. I also have millions of marsh snails I can feed them.
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My ducks and chickens eat alot of earth worms in the warm months and although Waterfowl are more resistant to parasites that chickens and other poultry It is still a good idea to have them on a worming schedule my water fowl get wormed in late fall my chickens get wormed 3X a year starting in April.
 
RyanGriffeth said:
Ok this might be a gross question then. Are worms still healthy if I boiled them first? Also are minnows and crabs at least safe for a natural source of protein. I also have millions of marsh snails I can feed them.
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Look through all the worms here:

http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2655&Itemid=2933
Internal parasites (endoparasites, worms, helminths)

Gastrointestinal roundworms (nematodes)

  • Acuaria spp ~ Dispharynx ~ Synhimanthus spp. $. Gizzard worms. Gizzard, esophagus and proventriculus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in birds kept outdoors.
  • Ascaridia spp. $$$. Chicken roundworms. Small intestine. A serious problem worldwide, also in confined operations.
  • Capillaria spp. $$. Hairworms. Crop, esophagus, small intestine, large intestine.
  • Heterakis spp. $$$$. Cecal worms. Cecum. Probably the most threatening worms in all kind of poultry operations worldwide.
  • Oxyspirura spp. $. Fowl eyeworms. Eyes. Usually a secondary problem in individual birds kept outdoors.
  • Strongyloides spp. $$. Threadworms, pinworms. Small intestine. Can be a serious problem worldwide.
  • Subulura spp. $. Cecum and small intestine. A secondary problem in birds kept outdoors worldwide.
  • Syngamus trachea. $$. Gapeworms. Trachea, bronchi. A serious problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
  • Tetrameres spp. $. Proventriculus and esophagus. Can be a problem in endemic regions, mainly in outdoor opertaions.
Tapeworms (cestodes)

  • Amoebotaenia cuneata = sphenoides. $. Small intestine. Usually a secondary issue in most poultry operations
  • Choanotaenia infundibulum. $. Small intestine. Usually not a major issue in modern poultry operations.
  • Davainea proglottina. $. Minute tapeworms. Small intestine. Can be a problem in birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
  • Raillietina spp. $$. Small intestine. The most frequent tapeworm in poultry, however normally not a majorproblem.
Flukes (trematodes, flatworms)

  • Prosthogonimus spp. $. Oviduct flukes. Oviduct, bursa of Fabricius. Can be a serious threat for birds kept outdoors in endemic regions.
 
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I give my birds garlic and ACV in their water, and I have never warmed any of my chickens before, and they eat a HUGE quantity of earth warms.
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Garlic and ACV are not wormers.
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Routine fecals will give you an idea if you have a problem with parasites.

What happened with this hen:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/955407/sick-bantam-could-use-some-help-and-suggestions

-Kathy
 
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I understand wanting all natural healthy food sources - I really do. What I don't understand is blind reliance on hearsay and old wives tales when a simple, non-invasive, inexpensive test will clearly show what is what. All poultry have and get worms. Natural remedies such as pumpkin and ACV may ASSIST in creating an more inhospitable host - but will not completely prevent and ABSOLUTELY will not rid animals of an infestation. Heavy infestation can kill a host - it certainly is not healthy for it and certainly compromises the quality of animals used for consumption. Not insuring proper health with regular preventive treatment or TESTING to determine necessity and identifying appropriate treatment required is ( IMO) ABUSE. The though of chowing down on all those healthy parasites is enough to gag a maggot. UGH!
 
Oh, I understand that.
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Like hookem horns said, we all have different ideas on raising chickens, and I really don't want to get into a debate about it, but one of the reasons my family and I raise our own chickens is to avoid chemical, etc. I manage my chickens a lot like we manage our flock of sheep, who we never worm either, they don't need it (they are tested on a regular basis). All animals are going to pick up worms at one point or another, it's their reaction to them that matters. Sheep that are wormed on a regular basis have very little natural resistance to parasites, and become anemic very fast with out it. In my opinion part of the reason animals have so little natural immunity is because they are heavily wormed. If chickens had to be wormed, than they would have gone extinct hundreds of years ago, before wormers were around. I check my birds body condition, etc, often and all look good. I have some hens still going strong at 7.
Would I give my birds Chemicals in a life or death situation? Yes I would If I knew it would save their life.
I know a lot of you probably disagree with me (and that's just fine) but this is my opinion.
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