Must be sour crop but it's different

My1stChickens

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May 16, 2015
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This morning there was one hen hiding in a corner of the coop, looking miserable. I picked her up to examine, and she started vomiting, so I obviously assumed sour crop. The liquid smelled sour, the crop was squishy but in one way this was different than my previous sour crop experiences. The liquid was dark reddish brown, with no visible "texture". Anyway, I isolated her in a hospital cage, and drug out the monistat from the medicine bin, and confirmed no food or water for a day, just the monistat and some coconut oil.

Her crop filled back up, and I tipped her gently again, to get some cleared out. Still a reddish brown liquid, without food/visible chunks but there was quite a bit of what looked like sand, but smaller. Silt? It "could" be from a new feed I was trying, an organic feed that has some grains but a lot of powdered incredients- not crumbles, smaller. Sometimes I ferment some for them, but it's been more than a week since the last time they had it fermented-- she could have eaten a bunch of the powdery bits? Don't know.

Seeing no food, makes me think I'm not catching this early-- I've been crazy busy, so perhaps not as observant of slight clues the last couple days. But in the past, any liquid that's expelled has not been this dark, and has had some chunks of food-- and smelled more strongly sour.

The hen is 3 years old, has not been laying for a few months, and her comb used to be upright, but for at least 4-6 months, it slops over. Still she eats, drinks, and is active. When her comb first flopped over back in the summer, I isolated her for supportive care but she was fine, other than not caring to eat while she wasn't with her friends. She's resting comfortably, and is strong enough to fight about taking anything orally. No poop, but some white/pale yellow fluid excreted. When I brought her in her butt was caked in normal green poo, so I cleaned her up. the floor of the cage is lined with paper towels, so I can easily see anything that she excretes.

Am I missing anything? Planning to do monistat for 7 days, and tomorrow offer electrolyte water, and some moistened pellets with crushed up egg yolk. I don't like to make them vomit, but if the crop fills to where it's coming back up, I typically help them empty. Once her crop will stay reasonable, and she eats well, I like to turn them back with the flock unless the weather is nasty-- and just continue the monistat without keeping her isolated.

Would be grateful for any ideas on her dark liquid vomit, and any advise or corrections to my plans.
 
I would not make her vomit, you risk aspiration.

I would treat for sour crop like you are doing. Watch to see if she poops. I usually leave mine with the flock whenever I have to treat for something unless they are getting picked at.
No clue why the liquid is the color it is, I would assume it's colored by something she ate, whether the feed, some dirt, etc.
Do keep in mind that crop symptoms are often the result of another underlying condition. Some common problems seen that accompany crop symptoms are reproductive disorders, worms and/or coccidiosis and infection.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/ar...w-to-know-which-one-youre-dealing-with.73607/
 
I would not make her vomit, you risk aspiration.

I would treat for sour crop like you are doing. Watch to see if she poops. I usually leave mine with the flock whenever I have to treat for something unless they are getting picked at.
No clue why the liquid is the color it is, I would assume it's colored by something she ate, whether the feed, some dirt, etc.
Do keep in mind that crop symptoms are often the result of another underlying condition. Some common problems seen that accompany crop symptoms are reproductive disorders, worms and/or coccidiosis and infection.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/ar...w-to-know-which-one-youre-dealing-with.73607/
Thank you Wyatt. You are always so helpful. Late last night I offered food and water. She had a couple nibbles of food, but drank water like crazy. This morning she had a made a wet spot-- pale yellow, but with white edges. She also had made one tiny green poop, I mean it looked like a large meal worm-- that tiny. When I tried to give her monistat she objected and started to spit up. At that point I did tip her to get some stuff out. I hate to risk aspiration. What else can I do to get that squishy crop to empty? It's full enough that if I massage/press it, liquid comes out of her mouth. (very attractive-not)
I am pleased that she's eating a bit of scrambled egg, and I did get a small (pea sized amount) of monistat in her mouth. Will give a bit more once she has a chance to rest. I did re-read the article last night- her crop is very squishy, no hard spots. But, the liquid was not as sour as I'd expect yesterday, and today really not sour at all... Is it possible that she was on the verge of recovery when I realized she was not well? I did give almost a full tube of monistat yesterday, in many small doses. Maybe the sour part has subsided, but her crop is not emptying. She is passing some liquid, and now I'm seeing some green coloration. I will just continue treatment. If she eats a reasonable amount by midday, I will return her to the flock and continue medicating. Part of the reason I brought her in was that we went from 80 degrees to a low of 29 last night, high of 48 today. I felt the weather was a layer of stress and knew she was not feeling well, so she's in the guest bathroom. I do suspect something is "off" with her based on her floppy comb. I also had a very large and nasty lash egg about 60 days ago, and never was sure who passed it, but she's a suspect. I'm not 100% sure but I seem to recall she's had sour crop before as well. I know someone had it two years ago. They have grit, but show no interest in it. Now that no one is laying, they are not interested in oyster shell either. Sigh. Thanks again for your kindness in responding.
 
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For the poop to be thin, then she either has a partial blockage (and/or) something is restricting the digestive system. IF she's the hen that passed the lash egg, then there's a good possibility that she has more lash material (another lash egg) that is accumulating in the reproductive system, which in turn would "restrict" the intestines as well.
Do you note if she has any bloat or feeling of fluid in the abdomen below the vent between her legs?
I understand about the fluid in the crop, when they fill up like that it's alarming! They can aspirate on fluids on their own sometimes.
Drinking water is her way of trying to clear her system, even when I've had a hen in dire straights I make water available during waking hours. Some fluids are going through and you don't want her dehydrated.
Do the best you can to get the Miconazole into her. I usually draw the cream up into a needless syringe, then open the beak and syringe it a little at a time. It's tricky if they have that fluid filled crop since you do have to hold them to get the beak open. I stand the hen on a table so she's "comfortable" and it's easy on my back. Letting her stand is a benefit for me, that way I can somewhat avoid pressing her crop. I drape my left arm over her, pulling her to my body and "locking her in" with my elbow, this allows my left hand to be "free" so I can control the head better and I'm able to pull down the wattles so I can open the beak to dose her. Give them meds (cream), let her swallow and rest, then go at it again. Just take your time. Afterwards, I usually have a small treat - mine really do think the coconut oil is something special, so I usually have a little dish of coconut oil chunks, maybe a tiny bit of cooked egg or something else I think she may be interested in, I like to think it makes the process a bit more enjoyable for her.

All that said, if she's the one with Salpingitis (lash egg), then an antibiotic may help reduce inflammation as well. Of course antibiotics can make the sour crop worse...
I've found that most crop symptoms usually stem from an underlying condition - EYP, Internal Laying, Salpingitis, etc. (for me it's always been reproductive disorders or cancer). Sometimes with treatment and supportive care, the hen can recover enough to continue on seemingly happy for a while. There's also been times when a hen continues to decline and I make the decision to let her go. You are now just beginning the treatment so do the best you can, evaluate daily. Clearing a crop problem can take days, so keep that in mind too.
 
Great explanation of your process to medicate without squeezing the crop area. I just tried it out, and got more monistat in her-- followed by coconut oil. (I figure that's calories/energy plus might help if there is anything blocking).

I examined her abdomen area and there is no squishy fluid there- it just feels like flesh/muscle. No poop yet beyond the green stain, and the one mealwormish sized poop.
I'd love to see her eat a bit more, and poop before turning her back with the flock, since then I won't have any idea what's coming out of her. (Though realistically, it probably doesn't matter. All I can do is give miconazole, the rest is really between this hen and her maker, right?)
 
Getting a look at poop while with the flock is a challenge. If you really want to see if that's improving or if she's pooping, keep her in overnight so you can get a better idea.

See what happens over the next few days.
 
She ate a small dinner of moistened pellets, and some egg. Gave her the last dose of miconazole for the evening, changed her bedding (more wet towels, now yellow with quite a bit of dark green-- that's progress. Hoping to have something at least soft/solid by morning since she did eat a bit. Stuff IS coming out the other end, just so far all liquid. Fingers crossed she can go out tomorrow.

She's one that I bought as a pullet, a red sex link. The seller is a reputable guy, but I'm not sure I want any more hens that are "production breeds". They lay like crazy their first year but I think maybe when they breed them to just lay 6-7 days a week, they might not focus on the bigger picture. I'm not one to get chicks every year, and make soup out of anyone who's not laying. I have two geriatric hens, and four that came from that guy 3 years ago. One never laid a single egg, so something must be wrong internally but she seems healthy and happy. The other 3 laid great the first year, and good for part of the next year, but this year has been sketchy at best and I haven't had a single egg for 60-90 days. I miss having the eggs.
 
YAY! Crop was empty this morning. I made her a delectable breakfast of scrambled egg with a bit of feed mixed in, and she ate just a bite or two. But there the paper towels were wet and mostly green, with some small (like tiny meal worms) green semi-solids. She did eat blueberries with enthusiasm. So today she's back out with her girlfriends. Will continue the meds for full 7 days, probably just 2x day since she will not be captive anymore.

Still won't be getting eggs, but at least the crop is on the mend for now. thanks again for the help and support.
 
YAY! Crop was empty this morning. I made her a delectable breakfast of scrambled egg with a bit of feed mixed in, and she ate just a bite or two. But there the paper towels were wet and mostly green, with some small (like tiny meal worms) green semi-solids. She did eat blueberries with enthusiasm. So today she's back out with her girlfriends. Will continue the meds for full 7 days, probably just 2x day since she will not be captive anymore.

Still won't be getting eggs, but at least the crop is on the mend for now. thanks again for the help and support.
Progress!
It's good the crop was empty this morning. Hopefully she will continue to improve during treatment.
I'm glad she's able to be back with her friends!
 
Progress!
It's good the crop was empty this morning. Hopefully she will continue to improve during treatment.
I'm glad she's able to be back with her friends!
Ugh. She did well for several days, but this morning she had a full squishy crop, and had dribbled on her crop area. Clearly an underlying cause is in play. The fluid doesn't stink, it's not really "sour". I still gave her the miconizole. Not sure this one is going to have a happy ending.
 

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