Need expert help with Pyrethrins or Fipronil please!!! Getting desperate with external parasites...

[BennieAnTheJets]

cmom, you just reminded me of another brand I used to get and I ordered them some - thanks for making me think about this again!

The other brand is this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Labo...qid=1530989195&sr=1-20&keywords=bird+vitamins

and it has a more complete set of nutrients in it than the one I currently have, including manganese, which is harder to find in other supplements - I will switch them to this in a few days and try that for a spell to give them all the chances for recovery

 

[BennieAnTheJets]

about the Poultry Protector, yeah, I would not give it much weight, but it does kill stuff on contact and I have been spraying the little flies on our roof line inside the coop - they seem to die from that and I am not sure if they have something to do with the kicking/stomping/tail flicking/head jerking/scratching outbreak - maybe

I did once see some kind of mite-like critter drowned and killed by the poultry protector spray on a roosting bar, but I think you have to saturate the bug with it for it to work, so not a great help for most cases

 

[Kiki]

Have you sprayed or dusted the coop yet?

 

[keeper 1960]

killing mites with a chemical,is very different than mechanical killing.clogging there breathing holes,is non toxic.maybe more work!remember the few that live with pesticide treatment will resist next time.

 

[BennieAnTheJets]

no still have to do that

it's on the agenda again today

thanks for keepin' me honest!

 

[Jeffrey Foster]

A word of caution, Pyrethins are a very toxic insecticide, and very effective. I would not disregard the warning labels. One of the many uses is to make outdoor clothing insect rappelling. Once applied they have a residual effect that can last through many washes, typically for an entire season. Ticks literally will not go near clothing treated with the stuff, and misquotes tend to stay away also. Every warning label I have seen states not to get the stuff on you. For clothing applications, the warning is usually to wait until completely dry before using and to wash separate from non-treated clothing.

Please use protective gloves if using the liquid, and a minimum of a dust mask if using the powder.

Dog Flea and Tick shampoos normally use Pyrethins as the active ingredient but at much lower concentration in the 0.25% to 0.10% range.

If I was going to use Pyrethins, I would use the spray on the coop, and then give the birds a bath with some Dog Flea and Tick shampoo (should be fun!).

As a side note, Pyrethins will kill cats, so be careful if you have any feline friends.

Have you consider the possibility that it could be an allergic reaction to something you are feeding them? Might try switching their feed.

 

[BennieAnTheJets]

Thanks, Jeffrey.

Yeah, I wish I did not have to treat with anything, but I guess nature does not look kindly of our way of keeping the birds in the same spot every night - in nature they would move around and sleep in different places and the mites etc. would have less of a chance to take advantage of the birds and multiply

I have some family medical emergencies these days, too, and I got to work - so my time is divided

I need to decide when to spray the pyrethrins - the bugs seem to come out at night, but I get our birds inside with treats that I need to spread all around so they all have a chance and don't keep the weaker ones from coming home

so I hate to spray and them feed on the wet platforms - but if I let it dry it is still active, too, right?

I could spray after they are all in - the instructions say that 'it is not necessary to remove poultry from the housing unit during treatment' and the spray a fine mist over them in the end - hm

do you think that is ok in an enclosed coop?

sometimes I think the instructions are for commercial birds that are eaten after 8 weeks and not pets that can have effects from liver damage and cancer etc later...

 

[Kiki]

Spraying the coop before they come in for the night is fine.
The stuff should still kill the bugs if you spray it before night time when they come out of their hiding spots.
This is why spraying in all the cracks and crevices is important.
And why I think it is easier to get into those cracks and crevices with spray instead of powder.

 

[BennieAnTheJets]

how do you feel about them eating off the ledges and platforms after those have been sprayed?

would you do it early and allow the spray to dry or would you do it after the birds are in??

 

[Kiki]

I would spray the coop before the birds go in and wait til the ledges are dry to feed them.
I wouldn't think twice about it either.