Need some advice and info on milk goats!

I, too, want to say that you must first be completely committed (no, not that kind of committed- I mean to the goat
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) to milking. Most of the year it is a 2xday commitment that should be done as close to 12 hours apart as possible. It doesn't matter if you milk at 5:00 a.m and 5:00 p.m. or 9 a.m. and 9:00 p.m. - it just needs to be twelve hours apart. You cannot go out for an evening and come home three hours late to milk. You don't get to sleep in (like you ever do now huh!
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) and even when it's a blizzard outside... you have to go milk.

Now, having said all that... I have eight children and Home School them so I can relate to the busy part of what concerns your hubby. However, it certainly can fit into your daily schedule. I actually love going out to milk (well, this morning when it was in the 20's and a there was a layer of ice all over everything it was hard to get going out there but once in the barn, I love it.) as I find it's such a peaceful and relaxing time. Often several of my children come out and play around while I'm milking, sometimes it's just me and the goats. I love it either way.

It takes me roughly 3 to 4 minutes to milk out each of my two does right now. They are only giving a quart of milk, each, in the morning and at night though. It took me closer to six or seven minutes when they were giving a gallon each milking. For total time, it takes me just under a 1/2 an hour to set up the strainer, get the milk pails ready, walk out and milk, come back in to strain the milk and get it into the freezer. I leave my milk in the freezer for about an hour and then move it to the frig. It gets real cold, real fast and helps bring out the wonderful fresh taste.

I think the hardest thing for me when I first started was to remember that when I was planning appointments (doctors, etc.) several weeks or longer down the road that I had to make sure I made them around my milk time. It helps a great deal to have a back-up family member or very close neighbor that can learn to milk them in case you get sick or have to be gone during milk time. An 8 yr. old can certainly learn to milk and help you take care of the goats.

My hubby was completely against me getting milk goats. However, we were drinking 16 plus gallons of milk a week so it was very easy for me to show him on paper how much money we would be saving by having milk goats. We easily save several hundred dollars each month even taking into consideration what it costs to feed the girls. He wants me to get a couple more now!

The price of milk goats vary considerably from area to area and depending on the quality of the goat. I highly suggest you do really good research and homework to find out what makes a good milk doe. (Good udder attachments, teat size and orifice size, standing still on the milk stand, etc.) and buy the very best quality doe you can. A 2 or 3 yr. old doe is a great age to get if you can. Around here a good quality milk doe goes for about $250 up to $1000!! (The higher prices are for show quality does.) But, I got my two for $200 each and was thrilled with that price.

Before you buy find and go visit several milk farms (even if they only have one doe in milk) and watch them milk and then milk the doe yourself. It will help you learn what size teat is best for you. Ask lots of questions from the people and learn, learn, learn before bringing home your goats.

Best wishes.... I absolutely love my goats and the fantastic fresh milk we have every day.
 
Thanks so much for all the great info! I'm still working on him!! I have to admit that I was a bit worried if I was too busy for it also....but of course I'm not telling him that! LOL But then I started thinking about the animals that I'm already taking care of. 23 chickens outside, 2 pygmys, a dog, a cat, and another 16 chicks inside....and honestly, I love it! It's my ME time away from the kids to just myself. I know it sounds odd, but it is relaxing to me and I really enjoy it. I love collecting eggs every day and being able to use them for breakfast and baking. And I really think I'd love milking! I'm sure there will be some days that I will really not want to, but that's life...you have to. And I do like the idea of not scheduling appts and things at milking time. It's just like locking the chickens up at night when it gets dark...you just make sure you're home to do it. As for days when we're gone and such, I do have family and friends who have already said they'd love to come over and milk our future goat for us...in exchange for some milk of course!
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As for the cheese & yogurt making and soap making...how labor intensive is it? I've heard you can freeze the milk, so is it possible to freeze some milk and then make a big batch of soap, etc when you have the time? Also...what all is needed...I think I've read somewhere that you have to have enzymes or something for the cheese.

Thanks again for the info...I'll keep you all posted!
 
I know you will love it, if you love the work of chickens....and no, it does not sound weird to anyone on this forum!

As for labor intensive....that depends on how you view the labor, like caring for the animals, how labor intensive it is depends on whether you like it or not, somewhat.

I haven't made cheese yet, but just ordered my supplies from http://www.cheesemaking.com/ and hope to attempt my first batch soon. There is a lot of good info on that site. I got the book from this site, too, but find it a little advanced. Do a Google search, and I love searching for stuff like this on youtube because if you see a short video it is a lot less intimidating when you go back and do the reading. (If your internet connection is too slow for video, try the library.) So I am learning the principles from the book, but will likely go online to find my first recipe. Please, someone, if I am wrong in my thinking, set me straight!

Yogurt is ridiculously easy. Start with that and you can't go wrong.

I used to make soap from fats and lye (drain opener, hard to find plain old lye here nowadays) and that is also very easy to do, you just have to be careful with the lye. But there are a lot of things in life you have to be careful with, so I found it to be no big deal. But not a project for the kids to help with until they are responsible teens. Soap making is simply heating to a certain temp, measuring accurately, stirring-stirring-stirring until your arm falls off, and pouring and waiting-waiting-waiting. Also temp control even in the waiting stage, as with yogurt. Very doable. I suggest you start with a simple batch of unscented in case the batch fails, so you don't waste any extra money on scents and colorings.

I would get suet from the butcher and have him grind it for me, then I would melt it and strain it (wire strainer) and mold it in loaf pans to make tallow for soapmaking. I would do a big batch, say 12 lbs of suet, so I wouldn't have to do it often. It stinks. I just did a big batch for making suet cakes for the wild birds, and I ended up putting some garlic powder in the pot so it would smell better, but you can't do that for soapmaking! Oh, then I freeze the tallow cakes in ziplocs until I need them for a batch of soap. Tallow is cheap and makes hard soap. I have been thinking of starting up again...life got too busy and it is back under control, enough to do these satisfying tasks.

Have you been making your own bread? The labor is similar, in that there are steps that take a few minutes to half hour of work, then waiting for the next step. So you have to plan your day around the steps, and be away of temperature, etc. But the actual labor is not that much at all.

As a kid, I would make six loaves of bread for the family each week, and we would put the big bowl of dough behind the woodstove for the first rising. One day we found the cat curled up in it! Leave it to a cat to find a soft, warm place to sleep!
 
Thanks freemotion for the info! I really do think that the benefits of having a milk goat will make the labor not seem like labor at all! I'm planning to read some of my books this weekend so I can be an educated as possible in my decision...but I WANT one! LOL
 
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I think everything has been covered here, but I'll give my 2 cents as well.

I would avoid pygmies. I know pygmy lovers will want to skewer me for this. But I have spent two days with a vet for a dystocia workshop in ruminants. Every single problem was called "common on pygmy goats". Since you'll need to breed in order to refreshen your milkers, I would avoid pygmies unless you have more goat experience.

It's probably 5-10 minutes to milk a goat for us. We milked three last winter up through July, when we decided to dry them out so that they wouldn't be stunted (all were yearlings last spring).

Fresh goat's cheese takes 24 hours and is very simple. No refrigeration required. It's a very good return on a gallon per pound basis.

I think it would be difficult to have just one goat. It will forever be trying to escape and find it's herd.
 
Alright....just ONE more question for you!

I have found listings for an alpine and a nigerian dwarf goats for free. The alpine is 5 years old and to her knowlege has never kidded....so she's never been milked. Is this a problem? I just didn't know if any goat can be taught to be hand-milked after they've kidded...or for a newbie like me, would it be better to get one that has been milked before?
 
I would highly suggest you get a goat that is not only used to being milked but that you see being milked and is standing quietly and patiently on the milk stand during milking.

I would not get the non-milked doe... free isn't always the best choice, especially if you can't get her to calmly accept milking.

I had friends who were given a free doeling this summer. They've now spent over $150 in vet bills on her....

Was it mentioned above that you need to make sure your goats are CAE free?
 
We have a Saanen who is the right age to breed, so I will have milk coming in the spring. We have had meat goats for 2 years.

One person already mentioned Fias Co farms. Please go to her website. I learned so much and she has been milking since 1995. she has the experience to back up her advice. I also like her stuff becuase it is natural in its approach. I had many issues with Storey's guide to milk goats. It is a very medicated, commercial approach to goats.

Being a mother of 4, a stay at home mom and a homeschool mom, I am sitting here looking backwards. My youngest is 7, I homeschool him and his 9 yearold sister. My 15 & 13 year olds are in school. I would recomend letting the baby get just a bit older. However, I know many women with babies and schooling who do all kinds of things. My kids are completely involved in the farm and we love it. Because I had a habit of overlaoding myself with many wonderful activities, my husband is a bit gun-shy when I have a new project. He is usually more inclined to hear me out if have really studied up on the subject. I found lots of wonderful books on small livestock at the library. One thing I do, if I have my heart set on something, is to agree to drop one project- say at church or community activity- to get the new one.

If you do decide to get a milker, get one with a proven history. Ask a lot of questions and get some proof of the answers. I was too trusting in the beginning. And I would definately use the Fias Co Farm information. By leaving the kids on the mom, you can let them do the milking is something happens. To do this you would need a pregnant doe. Good luck!
 
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