We have good success with a mix of shavings and straw. We start the deep litter with several bags of shavings at the start of the season, and then we usually just add straw after that. They seem happier when there is more straw, as that seems to be their preferred nesting material. We don't find it difficult to clean at all.Yes we must try shaving then hay is great for the hens not so good for ducks.