new research debunks trad views on nutrition

[Labsandchickens8]

During the cracking it occurred to me that it would be a piece of cake for me to add any combination and quantity of dried moringa, pigeon pea, desmanthus, cassava or lucerne/alfalfa leaves to the mix. All of which I have growing in quantity. Thus adding a valuable nutritional and protein rich resource that will be incorporated into the fermentation as a finely chopped dry green.
Moringa particularly appeals due to its high levels of calcium and b vitamins. Also a large range of minerals.
Cassava appeals also because it's something they actively love foraging on.

As far as costs go. I haven't done the maths on paper yet. Wheat is $18 for 20kg, corn the same, sunflowers are $40 for 20kg and lupins $30 per 20 kg. All AUD
So this should work out roughly similar to non premium pellet which for me is around $25 for 20kg. Premium s

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Ttuff is $30. Organic non soy stuff is $4GL ul0+. All AUD

Happy to have feedback on my ratios or whatever if something is off.

You may know it all, but you frequently lambast other people's failings on the topic, so I hope your dismissive attitude will not deter more from watching it for themselves.

You are a very prickly, controlling moderator. Why do you feel the need to jump down people's throats so often? I have been carefully reading this whole thread, and you've done it repeatedly.
You have valuable information to offer. Let others share information and thoughts.

 

[Altairsky]

Yeah this thread has great information, so let's keep it relevant. If you have problems with someone use private messages.

 

[Perris]

You are a very prickly, controlling moderator. Why do you feel the need to jump down people's throats so often? I have been carefully reading this whole thread, and you've done it repeatedly.
You have valuable information to offer. Let others share information and thoughts.

I reacted to Eddie Salita's post that you quoted with 'Informative', so I'm not sure what your issue is. And since there are lots of valuable contributions from lots of people on the thread, how is that not letting others share their information and thoughts?

There are also some posts that are not valuable, particularly early on in this thread when the dominant view about feeding on BYC was that bags of commercial pellets or mash or crumbles were the only proper feed, and anyone suggesting otherwise was dumped on from a great height. If you care to find posts from the period in the 'feeding and watering your flock' forum, you will soon see what I mean.

I am prone to slam the door on someone when I think that someone is wrecking the thread by filling it with dross because that results in sensible people leaving it (as Shadrach did, if you've got that far yet). I will debate with anyone who has an argument, but I don't treat fools lightly. I believe that misinformation and disinformation thrive because they are not called out often or hard enough. I'm sorry for those who find it all too brusque, but my intention is to inform not insult.

 

[Labsandchickens8]

I reacted to Eddie Salita's post that you quoted with 'Informative', so I'm not sure what your issue is. And since there are lots of valuable contributions from lots of people on the thread, how is that not letting others share their information and thoughts?

There are also some posts that are not valuable, particularly early on in this thread when the dominant view about feeding on BYC was that bags of commercial pellets or mash or crumbles were the only proper feed, and anyone suggesting otherwise was dumped on from a great height. If you care to find posts from the period in the 'feeding and watering your flock' forum, you will soon see what I mean.

I am prone to slam the door on someone when I think that someone is wrecking the thread by filling it with dross because that results in sensible people leaving it (as Shadrach did, if you've got that far yet). I will debate with anyone who has an argument, but I don't treat fools lightly. I believe that misinformation and disinformation thrive because they are not called out often or hard enough. I'm sorry for those who find it all too brusque, but my intention is to inform not insult.

I apologize. I am still working my way through this thread, because it is very relevant to me personally. I have two autoimmune conditions and have to be very careful with what I eat and where it came from. We wonder if GMOs contributed. Also trying my best to have optimal conditions for my chickens. I stop to at least look at each link, so it's taking forever.
I greatly appreciate everyone's research and educated opinions.

 

[Perris]

I apologize. I am still working my way through this thread, because it is very relevant to me personally. I have two autoimmune conditions and have to be very careful with what I eat and where it came from. We wonder if GMOs contributed. Also trying my best to have optimal conditions for my chickens. I stop to at least look at each link, so it's taking forever.
I greatly appreciate everyone's research and educated opinions.

I hope you do find useful information for yourself and your flock here. There is a lot to work through if you follow all the links, but most of them have something to contribute to our understanding of this recently transformed topic, I think. If you have any specific queries, please don't hesitate to ask; I, and I'm sure others, will be happy to help you if we can.

 

[Labsandchickens8]

There is a short graphical piece in Reuters today about the spread of bird flu to cows in the USA. Bizarrely, despite noting that

"The infections in cattle are from the same subtype of bird flu that has been infecting wild birds and poultry flocks globally, also killing several mammal species that likely contracted the virus from consuming sick or dead birds"

it omits to mention that said cows may have been unintentionally fed infected dead birds in their feed.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/HEALTH-BIRDFLU/lgpdndoyrpo/

Didn't they investigate what the cows were eating? or is the industry mobilising to keep it secret? It is a very unpleasant subject but in this case, an ostrich policy to what goes into the feed that we give animals that we then eat, or whose products we eat, is insane. Enlightenment is here:

https://nutrientmanagement.tamu.edu/content/tools/feedinglitter.pdf (thanks to @TexasBlues for the link) Note the date of this piece: 1996. Older than many BYCers I suspect.

The note to another graphic in the piece, on other mammals that have caught it, and acknowledged to have caught it probably by eating dead or dying infected birds, suggests cows very likely got it the same way. "Other infected mammals include: badger, beech and pine marten, caracal, coati, coyote, ferret, fisher, fox, lynx, mink, mountain lion, opossum, polar bear, polecat, porpoise, raccoon, sable and wild dog." But, you may be thinking, unlike those species, a cow would not naturally eat a dead bird. Indeed it would not. However, mixed up in its homogenised feed, it doesn't know what it's eating. Neither do we, or our chickens, when we give them, or eat, homogenized feeds and UPFs. Put enough salt and sugar in, and almost anything can be made palatable, as the food industry has discovered to its profit and our loss.

'Mad cow disease' or bovine spongiform encephalitis was created by feeding cows, in the form of a homogenized concentrated feed pellet, the brains of sheep who had scrapie, along with other 'waste' products. And variant Creutzfeldt-Jacob Disease is likely caused by people eating beef from an animal with BSE (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/creutzfeldt-jakob-disease-cjd/ )

Feeding poultry litter (including deadstock buried in it) to cattle has been going on apparently out of sight and out of mind of consumers (and that Reuters reporter) for a long time. Why risk all this to save a few pence on feed? If bird flu stops the practice, that would be a silver lining to this cloud.

Horrifying.

 

[Labsandchickens8]

I apologized to one of the young people I worked with. "Simon, we are leaving you a really crappy mess. My generation could have turned it around, and we didn't. I'll probably be dead before the bottom really falls out, and you and your descendants will have to deal with it. I'm sorry."

I've been teaching dual credit classes to high school seniors. I've been apologizing to them on behalf of all baby boomers for years, for a different reason. I learned new reasons to apologize to them ftom this thread.

 

[Labsandchickens8]

Some great news on wheat today: in particular, the DNA sequencing of a seed archive of pre-20th-century-industrial-agricultural wheats from all over the globe. Turns out that wheat DNA is more than 5 times bigger than human DNA, so there is an enormous amount of variety there, and modern wheats only use about 40% of that genetic diversity.
https://www.theguardian.com/science...rs-ago-may-help-feed-the-world-scientists-say

I'm very interested in this particular topic. I have Celiac disease - extreme gluten intolerance - which may be caused by the modern strains of wheat. There are a lot of us out there now.

 

[Labsandchickens8]

What kind of test did you have. I am thinking maybe food is the cause of my muscle stiffness. The most popular diagnosis in the medical community is ‘long Lyme’. But nobody has looked at food as a potential cause.

I went to a gastroenterologist, who did the blood tests.

 

[Cebarmlds]

I've been teaching dual credit classes to high school seniors. I've been apologizing to them on behalf of all baby boomers for years, for a different reason. I learned new reasons to apologize to them ftom this thread.

Don't apologize on behalf of all others, that's not your responsibility and I don't think you really understand what you are saying.

It's also not the fault of the BB generation, it was started years before the BB gen . Many fell for The phrase "Better Living Through Chemistry" , a variant of a DuPont advertising slogan, but not everyone. I despise all the hatred that encompasses whole generations, just stop.