New to Seramas- Please give opinions! More pictures added, AGAIN!

[DiVon80]

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I have to agree w you on this I have been doing my home work. Maybe they are not posed like we are used to seeing? Or they have Japanese in them.

 

[SeramaLife]

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I have to agree w you on this I have been doing my home work. Maybe they are not posed like we are used to seeing? Or they have Japanese in them.

Hmmmm. Will look more after church.

 

[idahodebra]

Ondra's Seramas :

He and roo: I wish I could see him posing.......Can't tell much. Hen not vertical enough in wings. Tail too short. Chest not not high enough. Legs not long enough.

Hen #2: Hen not vertical enough in wings. Tail too short. Chest not not high enough. Legs not long enough. Back a tad too long.

Roo #2: Would like to see him posing. Never seen a tail quite like his

VERY hard feathered. Not neccesarily a fault. Back a bit too long. Can't tell much more, Would like to see him posing.

Hen #3: Hen not vertical enough in wings. Tail too short. Chest not not high enough. Legs not long enough. Back too long.

Hen #4:Hen not vertical enough in wings. Tail too short. Chest not not high/big enough. Legs not long enough. Back too long.


I like hen #1 best. Can't tell about roos.

I agree with Ondra. A pic of roo #1 by himself, from the side would be nice. The first hen is the nicest. None of these are show quality, but they are certainly cute little birds. I would keep up with the breeder you got these from, because I bet they have some nicer birds, as these are some of the nicer, cheap culls I've seen. Makes me wonder what their breeders look like. I wouldn't worry about the weights, because, again, you don't have show birds so they won't have to weight qualify. If you choose to breed them, I would concentrate on the first 3

 

[feedstorechick]

I've added more pictures to the original post.

The pair in photo #1 are heavier than the others. The roo is a whopping 780 grams and the hen is 605 grams.

Hens #2, #3, and #4 range from 480 - 510 grams.

The black roo is only 490 grams.

I added a photo of a younger hen. She is only 325 grams. All I know is she isn't old enough to lay yet.

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

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For people who dont know..............

For MATURE Cocks......
Class A is up to 350 grams
Class B is up to 500 grams
and Class C is up to 600 grams
**I guess D class would be up to 700??
**E would be up to 800?

MATURE Hens have lower acceptable weights
Class A is up to 325 grams
Class B is up to 425 grams
Class C is up to 525 grams
**Class D maybe up to 625 grams

 

[racuda]

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I agree with Ondra. A pic of roo #1 by himself, from the side would be nice. The first hen is the nicest. None of these are show quality, but they are certainly cute little birds. I would keep up with the breeder you got these from, because I bet they have some nicer birds, as these are some of the nicer, cheap culls I've seen. Makes me wonder what their breeders look like. I wouldn't worry about the weights, because, again, you don't have show birds so they won't have to weight qualify. If you choose to breed them, I would concentrate on the first 3

I think that you SHOULD worry about the weights, particularly if they are above "C" class. The roo that is 780 grams weighs a whopping 27.5 ounces, which is more than many other bantams.

In every description of Serama, the first sentence you hear is "worlds smallest chicken" In the SCNA Serama standard, the very first section discusses the weight classes.

 

[idahodebra]

I think that you SHOULD worry about the weights, particularly if they are above "C" class. The roo that is 780 grams weighs a whopping 27.5 ounces, which is more than many other bantams.

In every description of Serama, the first sentence you hear is "worlds smallest chicken" In the SCNA Serama standard, the very first section discusses the weight classes.

My point was that they weren't going to qualify as show birds based on their looks, so why worry if their weights would push them out? Besides, seramas don't necessarily breed true to size, and 2 very small seramas can produce a very large serama and vice versa. Some seramas can be very small and typy, but be very muscular and dense, thus weighing more than a much taller and bigger looking serama. You don't eliminate your breeders based on weight. Many find that their "A" class seramas are infertile, whiles others find that their larger "C" and "D" class birds through much smaller offspring. That is why I wouldn't worry about the weights at this point.​

 

[Msbear]

That first hen is a real looker

but I think she looks too thick to be all serama like there may be some japanese in there.... BUT I don't know anything about seramas ...maybe that's what their supposed to look like

Beautiful girl anyway

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

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My point was that they weren't going to qualify as show birds based on their looks, so why worry if their weights would push them out? Besides, seramas don't necessarily breed true to size, and 2 very small seramas can produce a very large serama and vice versa. Some seramas can be very small and typy, but be very muscular and dense, thus weighing more than a much taller and bigger looking serama. You don't eliminate your breeders based on weight. Many find that their "A" class seramas are infertile, whiles others find that their larger "C" and "D" class birds through much smaller offspring. That is why I wouldn't worry about the weights at this point.

In keeping lots of records, I find that I have mostly gotten a range of the parents. If I breed A's and B's I mostly get that with maybe a C class here and there over the year, but I have never gotten a bird that huge from small parents--or vice versa. I only have one C class roo here though (he is in my signature- link) and I breed him to only fertile A class hens for that reason.

I think that it would take a few years to get these birds down to acceptable size (unless you had a fluke and really really good luck) and that is if you are luck enough to hatch small birds that also have correct serama type when these are lacking a lot of it.

You might have to sacrifice one for the other for the first year or two and raise a lot of chicks to see what you are producing. It takes a lot of birds and a lot of time to change things like that IMO. If you like them as pets, thats great! They are cute... if you are hoping to breed some small and typey seramas NOW, Id get new birds. Otherwise you have a lot of breeding and record keeping and raising chicks to at least 6 months old to do!--should be a good project if you like that kind of challenge!