Niacin deficiency?

[NewAtThis8]

hi Im jumping in her late but I just read through all 3 pages and wanted to add my 2cents just regarding the liquid b complex, I have heard that adding it to water is not the way to go, either add it to a yummy treat (like Miss Lydia mentioned) or give directly orally by syringe (just make sure you research how to do it that way first so it doesnt go in their lungs accidently) I read that the niacin pills can go in the water though. (not flush free, not timed released)

Thank you! When he had these issues the first time I was giving it undiluted over mealworms or peas. Once he got better I kept adding it to their water just as a “maintenance” thing. I haven’t given it to him directly this go around (just added it back into their water) but plan to start since he’s not making the progress I’d expect after a week. Right now I’ve got- kalmbach (45mg/lb niacin content) food which I’ve noticed they hadn’t been eating much during their molt so I took to offering it to them in a bowl every time I went into the run (at least 3x a day) which I’m adding about 1/3 of a capsule (full capsule is 500 mg) of niacin (not flush free) over top of. So they’re getting like 166 mg from that capsule alone but also some of that powder kind of collects at the bottom of the bowl as they eat. Also mix nutritional yeast into that food (in the feeder and bowl I’m offering as they seem to not be visiting as frequently right now). I kind of worry I’m over doing the niacin but this worked so well last time and they were much smaller. I had read somewhere for Pekins, 70 mg/day is good for those in good health, but not sure if that’s for jumbo Pekins or the regular kind. He was weighed last week at the vet and he is almost 10 lbs. (thought he was larger to be honest!)

 

[NewAtThis8]

Only in the first picture can I see something that looks like a small bumble. It maybe both of what your doing I would keep it up at least through this week and see how he is doing. If you can get a better picture of the bottom of the foot then we can say if it is for sure bumble and if anything else needs done with it.
I've had a few ducks over the year with Keratosis. and it never seem to bother them.

Thank you! I’ll get a better photo tomorrow when I do his morning soak- I didn’t realize how poor quality these were, I was 2x zoomed and in my basement with him since it’s raining. I’ll also get Heimlich then. So is it safe to say that regardless of substrate in the run, cleanliness, and maintenance that bumblefoot may always be a concern? Reading about it scares me because it seems like a serious infection that if it goes undetected and gets into the joint they’re doomed… but I’ve got some anxiety with them and their health so maybe I’m sensationalizing it a bit…

 

[Miss Lydia]

Bumble foot is serious it is staff and if not treated can spread into the joint bones and blood stream, So it is a good idea if we see a limp to check out what maybe going on. If we catch bumble early it is much easier to treat. I live in the mountains and this ground has more rocks in it than the law allows and thankfully I have only had one of My ducks with bumble. some of my chickens have also had bumble. It's not a fast process to treat and it takes patience but we can get it taken care of. Try not to stress you sound like your very involved with your ducks to the point if something comes up you'll see it pretty fast.

Best to have on hand is Epsom salt for soaking drawing salve if a bumble is just getting started, There is also epsom salt poultice , sometimes an antibiotic is need if the infection has been going on for a while and there is swelling and redness. And of course no stick pads and vet wrap.

 

[NewAtThis8]

Bumble foot is serious it is staff and if not treated can spread into the joint bones and blood stream, So it is a good idea if we see a limp to check out what maybe going on. If we catch bumble early it is much easier to treat. I live in the mountains and this ground has more rocks in it than the law allows and thankfully I have only had one of My ducks with bumble. some of my chickens have also had bumble. It's not a fast process to treat and it takes patience but we can get it taken care of. Try not to stress you sound like your very involved with your ducks to the point if something comes up you'll see it pretty fast.

Best to have on hand is Epsom salt for soaking drawing salve if a bumble is just getting started, There is also epsom salt poultice , sometimes an antibiotic is need if the infection has been going on for a while and there is swelling and redness. And of course no stick pads and vet wrap.

Sounds like I’ll be putting together a first aid kit this week! I already ordered neoprene shoes- figured it’d help if I had to apply any salve / topicals and also was researching whether they could wear them most of the time as a preventive measure. My run is sand, but they have a small wading pool inside that does have river rock surrounding and wonder if I messed up there.

 

[NewAtThis8]

Well here’s his foot today- looks cured to me; he’s getting around a lot better today too. Not perfect but definitely better than it was. Maybe overkill at this point but today I also put rooster booster vitamin b12 into the chickens’ water because sometimes, and more often than not lately they are drinking the chickens water and not theirs. (Theirs still has the B Complex in it, diluted). I know niacin is b6 but figured it couldn’t hurt the ducks or the chickens to help them through this molting period anyway.

 

[Miss Lydia]

That foot looks great!! Congrats on a good job.

 

[NewAtThis8]

These are Heimlich’s feet. No swelling, these feel rough and prone to holding on to dirt maybe but I’m not sure- he’s got no issues / no pain right now. (Or ever). Just noticed it while they were swimming the other day.

 

[NewAtThis8]

Also Stan jumped out of the pool on his own today so I guess he’s feeling better

 

[Miss Lydia]

That toe looks a little concerning I'd keep an eye on it. Keep up with what your doing.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Also Stan jumped out of the pool on his own today so I guess he’s feeling better

Great news on Stan.