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[BHep]

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x2.... but at least they are mite/lice free.

Also seen it suggested to alternate valbazen with safe guard for goats to prevent the worms from getting immune to the stuff. I already have that for my peas and will use that on my youngest chicks in their water to dilute it down. I think you could also use safe-quard for horses, pea size drop per bird. Not sure....would need to look into that.

I also bought yogurt & buttermilk & oatmeal to feed them for the next few days. I have ACV for their water too. We are all set.

I boil up duck eggs 1 or 2 xs a week, they love it.

 

[NewHomesteader2010]

Good Morning Everyone!! I hope you all are off to having a great day!!

DD had some night-terrors last night, so I was up late with her, then "Snuggles" got lost between the mattress & crib...then finally, I couldn't sleep!!

Figures!! Still, it's a great day so far!!

Okay...worming question...what is the recommendation for those of us who have neither SEEN worms (aside from my stint working for a vet) nor have ever treated ANYTHING for worms. My animals (indoor cat) have never had worms - thankfully, WE have never had worms...so this whole worming thing is new to me...and quite frankly scary especially since DD is the one eating the eggs (

- pregnancy does NOT like them...lol). Do I really HAVE to worm them before seeing anything? I'm just very reluctant to chemically treat and then lose almost an entire month's worth of eggs... Can you boil the eggs and feed them back to the chickens then or are they compost material?? Does anyone know if you can say they are "organic" eggs if you chemically treat?!? (NOT that I give any away...but maybe someday in the future after you all have stocked me with enough chickens that I actually have a surplus of eggs!!

) I do understand the "legalities" with calling eggs organic that haven't been certified...I was just curious if the organic "free ranged" eggs we buy at the store or farmers market can be certified organic and still use chemical wormers and such. NOT trying to start an ugly debate or anything, I am just honestly curious and albeit a bit confused (haha...when am I not confused lately?!?) Thanks for the help/suggestions!!

Hey BHep -

Can't wait to talk DH into more birds!!

Thank you SO much!! I have a GREAT idea...why don't you come by for a visit/sewing day and we can have your kids do all the worming for me?!? Then I won't have to try to worm by myself!!

I HAD to try!!

I am afraid to pick up my chickens...I don't want to hurt them...or stress them out....or get hurt!!

I am such a big wimp for being a "farm girl"!!

 

[BHep]

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That would not be a problem at all.

To answer the worming question....... There is thread after thread about it. It can make your head spin.

Chickens are on the ground, so are wild birds, rodents, insects etc... you get the picture, they all can/will transmit parasites.

Most worms/parasites will not be seen. I SAW the round worms, which means they are infested. They are expelling them.

Most people worm 2x a year. Spring & Fall. I do...apparently I was using something that was ineffective.

 

[suburbanchickymama]

NH - You probably can't call your eggs organic anyway because I'm betting they were given medicated feed as chicks. Any medication at all and no organic. All treats and kitchen scraps would've also had to be organic. You could say something like "raised on organic feed since ____ wks of age" or something like that???

Bhep - I read the thread the whole way through and did a little more research and here's what I was thinking - please feel free to tell me what you think. I'm planning on continuing preventative measures and setting up a testing schedule with a local vet to check for worms. Then treat as necessary. Unless, of course, every time it's coming up positive for worms and then I'll know that plan is a failure and just go straight for the chemicals. But as a person who used to buy organic free range eggs from the store and excitedly have been raising my chickens mostly organically (some kitchen scraps not organic) I just can't believe that there's zero chance of having healthy birds without massive amounts of chemicals!

I mean, me and my kids run around barefoot and we're not riddled with worms! I'm hoping that being in a large run where there wild critters aren't pooping around will help, too. Maybe?

Now I just have to find a vet to do the testing for me!

Happy Thursday everyone!

 

[ScaredOfShadows]

in chickens you do not see the worms until there is an extreme infestation and there enough dying internally that you can see them when expelled in the poo.

worms will not affect the eggs, the wormer you use will. Safeguard is a great thing to use, Safeguard stays in the gut of the birds, not in the meat, skin, etc so technically you can get away with a 7 day withdrawl, but its advised on the air of caution and wait 14. Though if I have chicks under 3 months old I will feed back eggs to them so they get a bit of wormer but not much. I worm my cats and dogs because they are inside outside. worms are there if they are outside, but if you don't see them its because there arent that many.

2 times a year, spring and fall. then add ACV to water regularly to keep the gut 'un appetizing' for the worms.

 

[ScaredOfShadows]

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Honestly organic eggs - the chickens have to have never been on any kind of medicated feed, no medication whatsoever. Scrap and such don't have to be organic certified, as long as you feed them only veggies and fruits scraps no by product or meats. its near impossible to be organic - its extremely expensive.

You can simply refer to this as eggs from "Family raised, Free range, or Naturally raised" hens.

all would probably be a good selling point.

 

[BHep]

SCM.... Having a fecal test done is a great idea. Worms are worms, the veterinarians office should be able to do the test for you.



I will be treating my birds then re-treating in 10-14 days to make sure I get everything. They are infested since I did see the worm.

After that they will be treated in the spring.

SOS... GREAT idea feeding back the eggs to the chicks, to give them a small dose of the wormer. I was going to add it to their water. I may do this instead, I HATE throwing out eggs.

 

[NewHomesteader2010]

Okay, so after reading (and panicking) that LONG thread...my question is down to one...what de-wormer to use? I got so confused by all the names and those that did treat, don't treat, etc... I think my head is spinning!!

I think I am with SCM and will test the poo and treat as needed/if needed

not needed...ever

- hey, no laughing at my wishful thinking!! So for the preventative measures (also referred to as maintenance on the other forum) ACV, garlic, red pepper, etc... When adding ACV to water (we have several 7 gallon waterers) how much parts per gallon??
Here's a deep litter question...does doing the deep litter method increase your worm infestation if/when the birds do become infected or does that have little impact? Man, just when I think I might be getting the hang of things...you all throw a wrench in my socket!!

So I went back and read what I wrote to you BHep...and I was so tempted to edit just to add the comment that I am a bigger chicken than my chickens when it comes to handling them!!

Well, off to finish a cake and start working on my SIL's baby quilt!! Have a great day everyone!!

 

[AllyRodrigues]

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x2!! Although, now I feel as if I am going into panic mode...to worm or not to worm...that is the question.

I'm so confused!!

Sorry... not trying to panic anyone, but this is need to know info.
We worm our dogs, cats, horses etc..... so YES chickens need to be wormed.

I picked up the valbazen today, we go to church for supper & fun tonight, so we will worm the cooped birds tomorrow after the kids get home from school and the free rangers Friday morning before they go out for the day. Then repeat in 10 days. No eggs for 24 days.

I need to find out about the Guineas & ducks. Peacocks will be wormed also. Pea chicks are done.

Ruthann.... I set 9 black Austrolorp eggs today. Start sweet talking the DH.

ALSO... I will have EEs hatching the 1st week of Nov. if anyone is interested.

I'd be interested in some Easter eggers! How many will you have? I have 18 white leghorns "cooking" that should be out the first weekend in November, but it's my first so we'll see! Let me know what your thoughts are on selling or trading!

I'm still trying to give my Polish time to adapt. She has made friends with the new hens I have, but the rooster still pecks her!


I also have this Toulouse gander that I would LOVE to find a happy home for. He's not happy here without other geese and our dog aggravates him. Is anyone interested at all?? If not, he may go to the auction this weekend..Poor guy.


I have also not ever wormed the chickens, but have only had them since spring. What has been your best resource for the Valzapan?

 

[ScaredOfShadows]

I have a quad of Mottled project D'uccles I am thinking to rehome. If anyone is interested in some cute yard eye candy let me know. Pictured is the roo, the girls are all black and white, with the barest of gold in the hackles. All of these aren't but 20-22 weeks old, I think one of the girls has started to lay, the others aren't far behind.

I also have a trio of Mille Fleur D'uccles too, they may would make a good start to a breeding project, very nice mature pair and a young pullet the same age as the mottleds (20ish weeks old)

I am going to Morganton this weekend, if anyone going wants them, let me know. I figure I would ask 25$ for each group.