Not a Marans, then what is it?

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Don't confuse the concept with a pedigreed registered herdbook animal with a standard bred fowl.
Poultry breeds do not have pedigrees, or are individually registered & recorded in herd(flock)books.
Poultry are Standard bred, that is bred to meet the written description (the Standard) for that breed.
Because many non American breeds of poultry are not recognised by the APA does not mean that they should all be considered rubbish and denigrated.
Marans are a French breed, the have a French Standard (which is also the Common European Community Standard) for the breed. A Marans to be called a "pure bred Marans" (these words are covered by an International Trademark) must meet all the requirements of the Standard, which includes type, size & weight, plumage colour, and egg colour.
It is a stupid statement to say if the don't they are Silkies or Cocker Spaniels!
A bird that does not meet the requirement of its breed Standard, such as single comb Wyandottes,
black legged Sussex etc can and should not be deemed to be a Standard specimen of that breed.
Consideration also need to be taken of the fact that the phenotype (what the bird looks like) may be obtained by a number of different genotypes ( its genetic make up). This accounts for the fact that many show winning birds can not be replicated in the breeding pen.
So what do you call a bird that does not meet the Standard - you call it what ever suits you. If you are out to make money out of ignorant fools you call it a Marans, if you want to kid yourself you call it a Marans, if you are truthful you call it a 'Marans in progress' or just a fowl.
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Right. And with Marans, the French "standard" includes more than just appearance. The standard also includes egg color.
 
It would be a back yard layer.. a cross... It is that way for 'Marans'... Proposed Breed standard... The criteria that needs to be met to call it a marans... otherwise it is a chicken...just a nice sweet chicken....The ppl on this forum are only reciting these rules to enlighten ppl who may not know that simple fact...
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A lot of ppl thing that they can bring their Quarter mare to an andelusian stallion and the offspring is automatically an Azteca. It is not the case:

Only when the criteria is met including ability to gait can a horse be considered an Azteca. If you think the marans is a breeding nightmare read up on Aztecas...
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No one is complaining because the product there....like here, is so spectacular. We are Making a breed using a standard... to forget rule number one on the "proposed standard" is to throw out the proposed breed.
 
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I remember back in the 80's that they must be of crossbreeding of a QH parent and an Andalusian parent to qualify as an Azteca. Have to go online and find out more. Lovely horses tho! I used to remember the Galiencos back in the 70's and wondered if they ever got any bigger than 14.0 hh.
 
So, again I ask.....My cochin lays every day. How can it really be a cochin?
genetics/DNA? These things do not matter?
If a genetically perfect Maran lays a lighter than normal colored egg, its not a marans despite what the DNA says?
Nonsense. Maybe not a perfect "to form" maran but a maran nonetheless.
 
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In the first place, there is no such thing as a "maran". The breed name is Marans -- capital "M", "s" at the end.

In the second place, a "genetically perfect" Marans would be laying a dark egg. If it does not have the dark egg-laying genes, then it is by definition NOT "genetically perfect".
 
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In the first place, there is no such thing as a "maran". The breed name is Marans -- capital "M", "s" at the end.

In the second place, a "genetically perfect" Marans would be laying a dark egg. If it does not have the dark egg-laying genes, then it is by definition NOT "genetically perfect".

I apologize for my English not being up to the standard as set forth by my Tennessee betters.
As for egg color, aberrations abound again I refer you to my egg laying Cochin, not to mention the numerous sports of not only the poultry world but the entire natural world in general.

Edited to add...my grasp of French is VERY good so the Maran-maran-Marans issue is one you might reconsider.
 
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Hey, I didn't name the breed -- the French did that.
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As for egg color, aberrations abound

You got it -- aberrations. Aberrations are not "genetically perfect", as you put it earlier.​
 
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