ok where are my computer peeps?

[hypnofrogstevie]

I first played games on a NES then when I was 4 I played PC games. So I am kinda mixed. I do want some games for PC but I also want games for PS3. I do love the doom, quake, UT series and alot of other games like that. 1 Game I wanted but never got was world of warcraft. If it was free online I would have gotten that. Whatever PC game the future brings I may like.

 

[Royicus]

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World of Warcraft (Warcrack), don't do it! It is an addiction I tell you!

Run, run for the hills!!!!

 

[Yonaton]

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Heh heh....yahoo or google 'linux and xbox' and such...it's been done.

 

[FutureChickenMan]

Yonaton - my experiences with linux differ vastly from yours. One major difference is it appears your use of the product is in a "home user" type of environment. My experience is at the big corporation level. Considering we have 2300 PC's of varing hardware, 1100 applications from all kinds of vendors there's no way we can use linux on the desktop. Wait, that's not true, we could if we just used them as terminals to a citrix session, but at that level, what's the point.

As far as your viruses comment, why would a virus writer write a virus for 10% of the computing population? That's why you don't see many linux viruses. Going for the small fish is silly when your intention is to cause harm.

Back a few years ago (5) I did a project for college. I put Windows 2000 head to head with Mandrake 7 on the exact same machine. Mandrake was slower at opening apps, slower at booting, slower on the net, used more resources, pretty much ran like garbage compared to the 2000 box on the exact same hardware.

Since 1982 I've played with various operating systems; DOS 3 & 5, Mac OS/8 & 9, Windows 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, ME, CE, NT 4.0 Workstation, NT 4.0 Server, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 2000 Workstation, Windows XP Home & Pro, Windows Vista, Novell 3.x, Novell 4.x, Novell 5.x, Solaris, OS2/Warp, Red Hat 5.1, Mandrake 7, Lindows, Knoppix, BEOS (loved this one), QDos, Ubuntu and of course Basic. That's just the ones I remember off the top of my head. I can tell you unequivocally that for the corporate large scale environment, Windows (how ever much you hate it) is the product to use. Windows also has a lower cost of ownership than linux. (costs less to keep it running)

Now to your comment about running M$ stuff on Linux with an emulator. Yes it can be done but the level of performance of the app in question is going to be slower than running it in a real native windows environment. Just as the windows emulation we run on one of our Macs is slower than a real instance on a pc. Whenever anything is run through an emulator it's slower. Now, consider if that emulator needs to manipulate hardware.. Have fun with that. The windows HAL doesn't play well with emulators. Been there, done that.

So, enjoy linux and I'll enjoy windows to each his/her own.

 

[PurpleChicken]

Now I'm gonna sound like a real geek here but the games I have played
on the PC in the last 15 years simply weren't available on a console.

From memory:

PC Game Console Equilvalent
Mid 90's to 2004
Command & Conquer None
Warcraft None
Starcraft None
Dune series None
Wizardry None
Diablo series None until the last few years
Starfleet Academy - First real online game in 94
Starfleet Command Series None
DukeNukem, Doom None worth a crap until Halo
Quake & Unreal None until Halo
Homeworld-Both None
Freelancer None

IL2 Sturmovik Series Is there a real flight sim on the consoles? I don't think
so.... Same with Flight Simulator series

I'm sorta out of the loop now. Not much time for PC gaming and I'm afraid
to try World of Warcraft. But I do look for new PC games and find nothing
out there. My gaming workstation is sorta weak at this point now anyways.

My and the kid did complete Halo 1 & 2 on the XBox and enjoyed it. Halo 3 will
happen eventually.

My point of this post is to illustrate the difference in game types between the
2 types of platforms (PC vs console). Roycuis and FutureChickenMan are much
more up to date on this stuff than I am and it seems like the only adantage of
a PC game you guys have listed is controls. I'd love to read you guys comment
further on what your favorite games are and what kind of game will grab and
hold you. At $50 it nice to get more than a pretty case on your bookshelf. I already
have 50 of those....

Oh, and anyone remember Ultima on the Commodore 64 then brought over to the 8088???

 

[FutureChickenMan]

Lesse, favorite games..

PC -
Rune
7th Guest
Prince of Persia
Need for Speed
Moto Racer
Savage Battle for Newerth

PS2 -
God of War
God of War II
Grand Tourismo

Atari 2600 -
Packman
Yars Revenge
Pitfall
River Raid
Missile Command
Asteroids

Nintendo NES
Legend of Zelda
Top Gun
Mario Brothers
Tetris

Sega (dreamcast?)
Sonic the Hedgehog

Like Purple, my gaming days are very limited any more. I'll play about 10 or 20 minutes maybe twice a month.

 

[FutureChickenMan]

Hmm.. the 8088? That was the intel chip that started it all. I don't think I ever had one..

I did have a Tandy TRS-80, IBM PS2/25, Tandy MPC-10 486sx 25mhz, HP Pavillion (forget the model number but it was a pentium 90mhz). Then after that I built my own computers up until 2003. I still have a few of my own built computers, then mostly Dells and one Sharp laptop (the one I'm using now). My two favorite machines are the AMD 3Ghz box I built and the Dual AMD MP 1800's machine. Love that box, you can run anything on it. It's the one I use to test different operating systems. The craziest multi-boot I put on that one was 2000, XP, Solaris and Red Hat. 4 OS's at the same time. That was fun.

For the last couple of years, with two jobs I haven't had much time to play with the machines any more. Plus getting "promoted" to lead geek at work drains my brain of geeky-think by the end of the day.

 

[Yonaton]

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Because 80% of the internet backbone runs on...*nix? I'd not call that "small fish". I'm sure there's some black hats out there right now wishing there *was* a way to infect *nix, just so they could be the one to say they actually brought down the 'net.

No viruses are written because trying to get one to actually harm anything other than a home user running as root on a stand alone PC isn't a challenge nor worth the time: First the black hat would have to *find* said user being so stupid. Next, the black hat would have to hope the user will actually do something to make the virus work. Third, the black hat would get no satisfaction because the virus wouldn't spread...why, because *most* *nix users *don't run anything as root* until necessary, and anyone who knows that, won't be opening or installing just anything they get off the 'net.

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I can say just the opposite, but since neither of us are showing any actual evidence, this is meaningless.

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Again, I can say just the opposite, especially since SUSE Enterprise Linux and RHEL are doing so well and getting more and more big companies running them worldwide (do a search on yahoo or google and you'll see).

The cost of ownership thing has also been disproved quite a few times. (another search on that will bring up an unfortunately huge mess of 'yeas' and 'nays' about it, but once you find those few tests done that have good empirical evidence, you'll see what I mean)

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Again, untrue. VMWare (and other virtualization apps) are good enough to let M$ software run just as quickly as it would on its own platform. This has been proven just by the avid gamers who run linux machines but are just that...avid gamers who *have* to have good graphics etc, or the game will just plain suck to play. There's linux users playing all the latest and greatest games on their Linux boxen using virtualization apps who are tickled pink that it works flawlessly. VMWare is just one of those few apps though that is *not* free, but since it's also used in the enterprise sectors, that's well worth the price for it.

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And there's the rub - you're talking emulators (like WINE for Linux), I'm talking virtualization (like VMWare). Two different beasts completely. Emulators I agree, are slower, but they're getting better (the latest from WINE I hear from SUSE 10.3 users is almost as fast as VMWare).

 

[hypnofrogstevie]

Well I am tying to sell my old saltwater stuff to get a better PC. Think I should make a linux live cd?

I forgot to add that if I sell this stuff I may get over $200. I dont know what I can get but I am shooting for $250 plus the $85.00 I got for guitar hero 3

ok well its on ebay so whatever I make with that plust the $82.00 plus my mom is giving me christmas money I dont know about my father." I am buying an alienware laptop. I been wanting one for over 5 years.


how does this one look before I go to look at alienware laptops

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Intel-Dual-...yZ140075QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[Royicus]

That computer is still lacking where gaming computers must not, which is a decent video card. A good gaming machine doesn't come too cheap. If you are considering an Alienware laptop (which I wouldn't recommend), why is the funding so limited for a desktop?

That computer does come with a PCI-Express slot, so you could add a video card after you get it, and that would allow you to play games on it.