"trout runner ducks" Yes I will ask him because I have never heard of them. Yeah when you get an older hand in this business its usually best to listen and learn! Saves a lot of heart ache sometimes!lol How are your pigeons doing? My mondaines are really producing good. I was surprised because usually the heavy breeds are slower at production. I sure like them,they are gentle and so big!I've got four weaned babys and three in the nest. Finally got my Brunner Pouters sexed and separated. I have six pairs and 5 extra males!No wonder they weren't nesting good,too many males messing around!