Old Roo, New Roo...when and how to switch them

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My current rooster is awesome, he is protective of his ladies and doesn't attack us humans, he courts his hens with beautiful dances and keeps everyone in line. The problem is...I don't like his genes and don't want them passing down into my flock. He is half silkie and half Old English bantam and I want big eggs and meaty birds.

I know I need to to replace him and I have plenty of candidates growing up right now.

In your experience, what can I do? What did you do in this situation?

Rehome him now while my cockerels are immature, wait til they mature and see who steps up to the plate? My husband suggested just making my "old" flock their own space in the coop but all my birds share the same run.

I'll be sad to see him go...I was actually quite scared of chickens and he helped me get over it, and he dances for his ladies which is so cool!
 
You might be able to rehome him, but that's hard. Your other choice is to keep your new replacement cockerel, (and take the time to TRY to pick the right one!) and your senior guy, and then separate your flock into the breeding group, and everyone else, three weeks before you collect fertile eggs next year. That's enough time for the ladies to be ready to only have sperm from your chosen rooster, and not the other.
If you have two good candidates for breeding, try to keep them both, at least until issues develop.
I have three breeding groups, and deal with this every spring, and it's a pain, but that's what I do.
My replacement Chantie cockerel got killed today, because he decided to get into my dog yard. :he So much for having an extra! He was very nice, but that sort of thing can happen too.
Mary
 
I myself would keep the old guy until the youngster is at least 1 YO, and I prefer 2 YOs. I would put the youngster in a bachelor pad to grow up in full site of the flock. The 2 may box at the fence, but cannot harm the other. I watch the youngster for good and bad signs. I have grown out a few that were absolutely gorgeous, but were hell on talons! (very mean)
Once the youngster has grown up, and it is his turn to manage the flock (if he makes the cut), I swap them at night. I watch closely the next morning for any issues.
Good luck
 
I would put the youngster in a bachelor pad to grow up in full site of the flock.
Good luck

Would the young one need his own pen inside the coop as well as outside?

Folly's Place, that is too bad about your chantie cockerel ♡

I never thought about only separating the flock up when it comes time for breeding. Something to consider!

I also wonder what the likelyhood is of my rooster just not taking on any more hens and just sticking to his current ladies. With all these teen chickens about he sure is even more protective these days.

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This is Punky ♡ He was the only cockerel last summer who knew to run away from us when we were collecting the cockerels to butcher. He has good sense! 50% of his chicks this season also have feathered legs and feet.
 
50% of his chicks this season also have feathered legs and feet.
If you don't like his genetics, why not get a new cock/erel from the type of bird you do want instead of using his offspring?
Maybe you have other blood lines growing up now?
 
If you don't like his genetics, why not get a new cock/erel from the type of bird you do want instead of using his offspring?
Maybe you have other blood lines growing up now?

I do have some potential new roosters growing up with the genetics I prefer. I have 3 barred Plymouth rock cockerels and a whole bunch of heritage breed mix cockerels. Hopefully come harvest season it will be an easy decision on who to keep in the "new rooster" running!

I won't keep any of this roosters male offspring, even if they are adorable! At least the female offspring are half red sex link or half ameraucana/marans, could be decent layers!
 
Once I replaced a rooster. I had planned to keep the new boy separate for a bit. But while I was dispatching the old rooster, the new rooster escaped and the girls took right to him. Did not even seem to notice the other guy was gone. Sometimes we give chickens emotions they don't have.

So don't over think this. If you have an established flock, get rid of the old bird, and start deciding who is going to stay full time. As you have a several maybes, cull the definite no's now...maybe down to 3 boys. Watch and see how they progress, after a while, cull the no, and watch the two...make your finale decision works best for me... unless the coons get to vote...which has happened to me.

What I mean is planning and chickens do not always follow along.

Mrs K
 
I don't know how much room you have, that would affect my decision on how to proceed. From this and your other thread about purebred versus mixed roosters I think you have quite a bit of room so I'll go through how I do it. I'm not saying this is the best way, that every other way is wrong, anything like that. It's just how I do it.

I raise my chicks with the flock from day #1, either with broody hens or in my brooder in the coop. I usually integrate the brooder-raised chicks with the main flock at 5 weeks, though at times I move them to my grow-out coop at five weeks and integrate them with the flock at 8 weeks. Regardless they are across wire from the main flock at all times until I turn them loose. I have three separate coops/enclosures I can use to sleep them, a 12' x 32' main run, and about 45' x 65' in electric netting, so a fair amount of room.

I either hatch my own or get chicks mailed from a hatchery. I never add older chickens of any sort, so that is a difference with your three BR cockerels. I'm not sure how old they are, which again could make a difference. I normally raise 45 chicks a year in 3 or 4 different age groups. Some years I have a lot more cockerels than pullets, some years the other way around. That's my basic background.

Maybe 1 year in 5 it gets rough enough down there that I separate out cockerels from my main flock and raise them to butcher age in that grow-out coop/pen. The rest of the time they grow up with the flock. My laying/breeding flock consists of 1 mature rooster and 6 to 8 mature hens but I may have over 50 chickens of various ages down there. The ratios of pullets to cockerels doesn't seem to matter whether the cockerels get locked up or not. I go by observed behaviors more than magic ratios and each group has its own dynamics.

Most years I leave all the pullets and cockerels in with the adults. As they reach butcher age I eat the ones that don't meet my goals and give the others a chance to show me I should keep them. That usually narrows it down to 2 or 3 I have to choose between. Most of the time I make that decision when they are around 23 weeks but occasionally 2 or 3 get to grow a few weeks or even a couple of months older. Since I like playing with genetics I normally keep a replacement male every year but occasionally one stays around for two years. I normally train a dozen or so cockerels and/or cockerels and pullets to sleep in the grow-out coop, not for behaviors but to reduce the crowding in the main coop at night before I put some in the freezer.

I normally leave the mature rooster in with the flock until the new cockerel is about 7 months old. The older rooster tends to protect the mature hens from harassment by the cockerels, he doesn't do much to protect the pullets but he does keep things a bit more peaceful. Usually by 7 months the cockerel can take over the flock pretty peacefully but I once had one that took until 11 months to win over the last mature hen.

As they grow up the different aged broods tend to hang together and stay somewhat separated from the the other age groups, though there is often some intermingling. One of the problems with this is that the dominant rooster (or dominant cockerel if there is no dominant mature rooster) suppresses the behavior of the non-dominant males. I think the competition makes them more aggressive toward the hens/pullets than they would be if they were the only relatively mature male in the flock. Some of those behaviors can change as they mature too. Usually the cockerels mellow out as they become roosters but not always. Behaviors can change dramatically when the dominant male is removed. I can choose for physical traits fairly easily but the behavioral ones are much more of a challenge. I don't always get that part right.

As long as no bird is is being physically injured I tend to let them work things out with minimal interference from me. I can accept behaviors that would really freak some people out. But every 4 or 5 years even I feel a need to separate the cockerels.

If you were observing a feral flock, the normal behaviors is that the dominant male would drive the cockerels out of his flock when they reached a certain point of maturity. They would form a bachelor flock until an individual matured enough to start carving out his own territory and start attracting hens and pullets to form his own flock. Or one might challenge the dominant rooster in an attempt to take over his flock. That doesn't suit my goals and I don't have that kind of room so I just do the best I can. Removing the cockerels from the flock and into a bachelor pen probably mimics the natural behaviors closest but how do you judge behaviors, imperfect as that judgment may be?

I don't know what the other cockerels you have to choose from look like. With your BR pullets you are likely to get black sex links if the male is not barred. The males will be bared, the females will not. It depends on what genetics that male has but the first generation from your BR pullets will likely produce black barred males and solid black females. The black and barred genetics are that strong but as always there can be exceptions. It's the second generation where you start to see different patterns and colors show up, especially with a non-black rooster. I don't know if that will influence our decision or not.

I'll emphasize that I very much believe how much room you have will have a huge effect on their behaviors. The more room the better. Hopefully you will get something out of all this to help you in your decision but it is usually not that easy a decision to make.
 

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