On the mend, but still questions: UPDATE, 20 week old banty wormy as heck,

[Leahs Mom]

Lala....I just read you have some good news!!! Check your pm!!!!

 

[aoxa]

When my mom used to worm the puppies (had a collie kennel) she would isolate the puppies and have them do their business far away from the kennel area for just that reason.

I was wondering that myself.

Isolate the ones not being wormed correct?

I dewormed my pups 3 times. Not once did they poop out any type of worms - but I needed to be sure, as some of them were bloating in the belly. I believe they were just eating way too much

To have a 6 pound miniature poodle at 7.5 weeks is insane...

 

[lalaland]

I"m guessing, isolate the ones pooping out the worms! I'm sweating bullets over wanting to worm the whole flock and envisioning the sorry mess of worms I've been seeing x19 in the run which has just shrunk to about 650 sf with the hawk enclosure fencing up.

Maybe a mess of de sprinkled daily, as if I could do that

 

[Leahs Mom]

My mom would take the little ones way out back away from the rest to do their business. Of course, that worked better when there weren't bunches of them! Then she wouldn't let the adult dogs out in that area for weeks.

 

[Leahs Mom]

Oh..and when she had them in the kennel (which was like a barn where they could be divided into different runs) she would put the pups in an indoor run by themselves and clean it out daily.

 

[lalaland]

got home tonight, it was dusk, and mrs murphy already had her head tucked into her wing. She did eat today, and judging from her droppings, did pretty good! more solid and no visible worms.
I lured her out but she was uninterested in eating, and she went back into the coop and snuggled down on the straw. What a relief.

Now, Wed I get to work from home and I can let her out more, so she can get some exercise and build up her strength. I want to be sure she can navigate the ramp and fly a little before I put her with the others at night. Might be able to let the flock free range a bit in late afternoon, although there is snow and rain predicted. Don't want her absent too long so I don't have to reintroduce!

so, this is the 3rd complete day of being wormed, and I think I could say that on the third day there were no more worms being pooped.

 

[lalaland]

Lala..you've heard me talk about doing the deep mulch/litter in my run for winter and to keep it from impacting? Well the plan is to dig some of that out and put it in the garden in spring, then re-mulch the run. It will be well broken down compost by then.

Anyhow, I wonder if you could do the same rather than moving the whole run? Deeply mulch for winter, then dig it back some in the spring and begin building again?

Thinking that may be helpful.

Also noticed that some folks were using the basic H on the ground to kill certain items - including parasitic worms. Maybe a spraying of the ground w/ the basic h solution would be helpful? The link is over in the natural thread. I'd think it wouldn't hurt anything to try?

geesh, I missed this post somehow.

good idea on the basic H. I am still undecided about worming others. I know Delish and others seem very committed that there aren't worm overloads, but I've also heard from others that they have had problems with worms in their flocks and it sounds like they are doing everything they can to prevent too, but it just happens. Its like the reality is different and I am having trouble understanding.
shoot.

 

[lalaland]

Still weak, but up and around, appetite has returned, droppings are normal in appearance. Can't see worms in the droppings with the naked eye.
Thanks to everyone who made suggestions and shared information.

I'm going to try to reintegrate her with the flock if she can navigate the ramp.

Safeguard was the easist medicine I have ever administered!

 

[cafarmgirl]

yeah, she turned her beak to yogurt, too!
I am soo kicking myself that I didn't cut open some of the intestines of the roos that were butchered. I'ld give a lot to know if any, or some, or a lot, or all of the roos had a worm overload too.

I also don't get worming : all those live worms from droppings in the chicken run...wouldn't any chickens that didn't already have worms get them from the dropped worms from the chickens that you ARE worming? geesh!

The worms do not survive long once they are out of the host. And most wormers kill them. Wazine works by paralyzing the round worms which are then passed out of the body and they soon die. It's the eggs that are shed in the chickens poop that enter the environment and are then picked up by the other birds, either by simply foraging on the ground or by eating whatever insect host that particular parasite employs.

There was mention in another post about attempting to spray the ground to rid it of parasites? I wouldn't waste my time and money quite frankly. You will never rid the environment of parasites, they are carried around by too many hosts. The very simplest and most effective method of dealing with parasites, as Dawg mentioned, is to set up a regular deworming program based on your climate and parasite load. That way you stay on top of the problem before it gets out of hand and before your birds start having health problems as a result.

 

[lalaland]

Update on Mrs. Murphy:
She's been separated in the kennel for a week. Her comb is pinking a bit, and yesterday she actually was awake at 7 pm, previously by then she would have moved to the dark back corner of the kennel and tucked her head under her wing. And this morning, in predawn light, she was pecking at food, so her appetite is back.

Still all skin bones and feathers, no flesh on her. She is going back to the flock today on a trial basis. Has to go back before it gets much colder as i don't want her in a 60 degree house and then going out to a 20 degree coop.

I think I will need to continue to supplement her feeding with hand feeding, as she has been refusing the feed the chickens are on ( a mash) .