Panting Lethargic Sick Hen - Need Help!

Hey there. I just read your statement of what was going on and there were somethings that immediately jumped out at me, and other things that I felt might be also happening that weren't listed.

First, her diet. At 17 weeks with hens reddening in the combs in wattles, they all need to be moved to a laying crumble rather quickly. I would say this hen needs it immediately if she's at all red in the comb. Since you're going from starter and scratch to layer (no scratch then except for small amounts, or at least less than 5% of their diet) I'd use the highest protein laying crumble that you can find. That might be like an 18%. But if you have to do 16%, then by all means do it.

Also she and the other hens need to have oyster shell provided free choice asap.

Because of the signs of upcoming laying that you've seen, and her mature weight, I would also recommend cod liver oil sprayed on the feed twice a week for the next few weeks as well as yogurt given weekly.

I suspect (at first glance) that a few things are happening.

First, heat. You haven't mentioned any pointers towards respiratory illness - like wheezing, sneezing, etc. You mention panting but do you feel the panting is a lack of being able to breathe? Or more a pain/stress response? Whatever she's facing, heat is part of it. She's having some runny greenish diarrhea which could be in part to high-water treats, or to heat stress, or to a third matter which has put her bacterial flora out of balance. For her, I'd give yogurt daily starting today. And monitor her diarrhea.

If she's not moving, she's likely not eating and drinking. I would at leave give her electrolytes in her water and try to facilitate her breathing. If she's experiencing heat stress (worse, I find, in heavier bodied birds) then while you have her up, I'd keep her up in a cooler (but not cold) place. Keep food and water near to her so she doesn't have to extend an effort to get either.

Because of her tipsiness, I would give her vitamins and electrolytes and possibly feed by hand as you are doing with her feed. do you say if you feel her keel that she's quite heavy?

Also, please do feel her abdomen for lumpiness, heaviness, fluid filling, etc - very gently. And back towards her vent.

You shouldn't have to force feed her at this point. Just try to get her moistened feeds. Also - has she been on grit since getting scratch?

Another option is parrot hand-feeding formula for parrot babies from the pet store. Exact, Kaytee, etc. But because of her nearness to laying I'd try to get her to eat her normal diet - well NEW normal diet of laying feed. You can give her cooked eggs, chopped up fine, to try to get her appetite up. Also vitamin B is great for appetites.

Mainly this bird I feel needs to be cooled a bit, hydrated and fed, and then watched. If her comb is red, I would examine her vent for any clingy white and yellow droppings. Watch her behavior - is she squatting like a penguin?

Sorry for the late reply. I was exhausted last night so we went to bed early, and today is my boyfriend's birthday.
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So I'll be on later, just not all day like usual. /grin
 
Threehorses,
Thanks so much for taking some time to look at my post!
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I was going to move them from 20% chickstart to 15% Chick Grower at 6wks, but the feed store by my house said that was old school and they recommended keeping the birds on the 20% chick starter through 18 weeks. Then move them to 16% chick layer. Were they wrong in that new philosophy? The farm I got the chicks from had recommended the original schedule.

We have some 16% layer on hand already that I will start feeding them asap. Should it be a mix of the starter and the grower or just go straight to the starter? Also, the scratch is only really given to them as a treat and is not part of their main diet. We will add the oyster shell to their world asap.

Funny you mention heat. We recently went through record heat waves with highs from 100 - 108 degrees for about 2 weeks. We have now plummeted to the mid-60's and rainy. They were all panting during the heat wave, but only my sick girl has been panting since the temperature has dropped. She does not have any respiratory issues that i can see or hear. Therefore I assumed it was due to stress.

Do you think she does or does not have mites? I was going to the feed store today to get poultry dust and DE. I think I'll just start adding the DE to their litter for good practice.

I fed her the egg yolk/electrolyte/feed mash today and she ate almost half of it and was walking around more this morning. I gave her some of the polyvisol last night when i checked her for mites. I couldn't find any mites but will look again tonight. A couple of the other hens are definitely picking on her by attacking her at the back of the neck. At this time she is in the yard, but separated by a fence.

After picking up a couple of her sisters today, I do believe she has lost quite a bit of weight. Her breast bone has a very boney point in the middle of it. I'll also check her stomach when I get home.

Her vent does not have any droppings on it. She used to squat at the start, but now she is either standing or fully "laying/sitting" down where she is "all spread out" like she's too tired to hold her self together.

This is lots of good information. I will do all you recommend and post any changes. My big question is should I dust her (and the entire flock) for mites and do a major cleaning of the coop this weekend?

Thank you for the feedback and keep your fingers crossed...
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I'm betting threehorses will tell you to do the mite dusting and coop cleaning just to have it done.
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She'll also tell you to make sure to get the dust in the crevices and nooks and crannies because that's where the mites live when they're busy digesting and sleeping off their rabble-rousing.

DE is good as a preventative, but make absolutely certain it is FOOD GRADE, not the pool filter variety. The pool stuff will kill your chickens. Threehorses will tell you DE does not take the place of wormers like Wazine, and mite dust. Others will tell you that DE is all they use. To each his own, but I lean toward believing 3horses.

Did your hens ever run out of water? During the heat wave, they needed lots of shade AND ventilation, and cool water that's not out in the sun.
I live in the desert, and my hens are fine if I give them a LOT of shade, and keep the ground moist. I leave the hose trickling under a different tree every day. They prefer drinking from there rather than their water bucket. Even a 2-sided or 1-sided coop can get VERY hot in a heat wave. Ability to free--range and move to cooler spots is very important when it's over 100 degrees. OR if they have to be in a coop, maybe hooking up a fan out there will help them out.
 
They always had water and shade and we did try to keep the ground moist. Since i live in the Pacific Northwest and our rainy season is coming soon, how do you keep a dust bath available for them? Do they have to have a special sheltered area with a sand box that allows them to keep up the dust baths all winter long?
 
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I don't have this problem as I'm in the desert. I've heard of people making special areas for them, though.
 
Well it's not great advice, no - particularly when they're nearly 18 weeks and some birds getting ramped up to lay earlier. Grower isn't terribly far off from layer (except calcium and calcium support and a few other things) so it's really better to have that. A starter/grower is a different thing. But when their combs start to redden, no matter which approach you take, they're telling you "we need layer now please".
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Very exciting time!

I find that about 90% of advice I get from feedstores is wrong - even the good ones. (That 10% actually includes my good ones heheh).

I usually like integrating the feed, but I think I'd just start it over a couple of days if they'll eat it.

Wow, what a big change of weather. People say "weather doesn't cause disease" but it sure does encourage it strongly. That's a lot of highs and lows. I'd say maybe stress then - or possibly she's masking something from the temperature changes and the wetness - bad stuff for birds. It's a shame we can't take Mother Nature to task on that.

On mites, that's tricky. They're very very hard to find as they spend a lot of time off of the bird in the bedding and in the wood cracks instead. You have to check at night, with good light (a flashlight helps even iif you're in a lit coop), and then rechecking and rechecking. DE if you use it can and should be used all the time. Poultry dust would be a good idea. But if you think it's mites, you'd have to treat the wood. Try the DE and then do randomly check your birds at night - and their roosts - for mites. But the dusting with permethrin won't hurt.

Good on the eating and walking. Good on the polyvisol. I'd add flock stress to the mix. The flip side is are the hens picking at her because they know something's wrong? But it sounds more like stress from picking from being low in the flock.

I think the weight loss is indicative of the issue. And it concerns me.
 
Updates:

I am dusting and cleaning out the coop today. sounds like the advice is to dust the birds close to bed time as I guess they are easier to handle?

My sick girl does not seem to be getting better. Her diarrhea is now clear almost all liquid, no more greenish coloring. She is still drinking, but this morning I have not been able to get her to eat her mash (boiled egg, yogurt, layer) though the other girls are fighting to get at it. I checked her abdomen and felt nothing. She is getting very bony and after checking all the other girls' vents last night her feather condition is really bad. Lots of broken shafts, though her skin is not as white anymore.

Checked for mites again on all of the girls last night, still not seeing anything but will clean and dust anyway.

A few questions:

I have my sick girl separated in the yard and she is sleeping in a box in the coop. Should I keep her separated or let her join the flock? She hangs by the fence line so she can be close to the others. Is she contagious?

Should I do anything preventative for the other girls other than give them layer, clean the coop and dust them? Should I feed them the super diet too?

Not sure what else I can do to get her better. anymore advice anyone?
 
Is it possible at all for her to be taken to the vte? She's emaciated and anemic as she's getting no nutrition. That's why no green.

Have you tried 'force feeding' the parrot formula in a paste? She really needs nutrition, and she's too weak now to eat on her own because she has no fuel to do so.

Yes you should keep her separated. They will walk all over her. We don't know if she's contagious because she's not showing any overt signs of anything specific - just the general illness signs of weakness. If you want to try putting a hen in with her if you think it will encourage her to eat, then you could try it.

The biggest priority, and it must start today, is that food get in her one way or the other. Whether voluntarily or not so voluntarily.

She's on empty.
 
I was able to force feed the parrot formula into her. She perked up immediately. I gave her 3 small feedings over the course of 2 hours as I was afraid of overfeeding her. Do you recommend I keep this up all day long or just once a day?

She definitely gained some energy as she actually tried to run away from me. I'll continue the force feeding tomorrow if need be. I also dusted her with poultry dust and cleaned the coop and dusted it and added DE to all of the new bedding. I'll tackle the other birds tomorrow.

Hopefully we will see more positive changes tomorrow:fl

As we have never had chickens before...can I ask how much it usually costs to take a chicken to the Vet?
 

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