Pecking Order help!

Discussion in 'Managing Your Flock' started by JodyJo, Jul 25, 2011.

  1. JodyJo

    JodyJo Chillin' With My Peeps

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    At what age do you all attempt to integrate a new chick into an existing flock?

    I know the answers will vary...I have 16 16 week olds, and 3 6 week olds, they are all in the coop, the little ones in a wire cage, so they have all seen each other for the past week or so,
    last night I tried letting the big girls into the run before scooping up the chicks, at first it was ok, but then they all attacked the little ones, so I had to jump in and save them. When do you think I can really let them go?

    When they are larger, or just do it now, and just watch very well, as the pecking order is established?
     
  2. Ridgerunner

    Ridgerunner Chicken Obsessed

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    You've asked a real hard question that will generate a lot of different opinions. We all have different conditions and our chickens all have different personalities. Different things work for different ones of us. There is no "one answer fit all" for this one. I recently had a chick just under a week old get separated from a broody and get trapped inside a grow out pen of 8 week olds. They killed it. I fully understand how risky it is.

    A lot of broodies wean their chicks at 4 weeks and those chicks are fully integrated in the flock, so you don't absolutely have to wait until they are grown and laying to integrate them. But the younger they are, the higher the risk. And I really think that space has a lot to do with it. If the younger ones can get away then the risk is a lot less. If they are trapped in fairly tight space, then they are at a much higher risk.

    I'll copy something I wrote for another post that might help you below in italics. When and how to integrate are not easy decisions to make. After my incident with the chick, I turned the 8 week olds lose to free range (no fences) with the rest of the flock, a rooster, some laying hens, and the broody with the young chicks. The broody did kick a little butt when those 8 week olds got a little close to her chicks, but none of them were hurt by any of the others. The 8 week olds had been raised in sight of the older ones fromn Day 1. My mistake was to have the 8 week olds locked up instead of having everything open where the broody could protect her chick. I thought I had it fixed so the chicks could not get in with the 8 week olds, but there was an opening at the gate. That's all it took.

    Good luck!

    You'll get different opinions on here because many of us do it different ways. To me, a lot depends on how much room they have and how you manage them. I know it does not help you any, but this is mainly why I am always glad for a hen to go broody. She takes care of this for me. It can be a dangerous time. But yours are not broody raised chicks.

    I'll go through a long explanation of the behavior, then tell you some about what I do, but if my circumstances are different from yours, you probably cannot do it like I do it. Hopefully you can pick up something beneficial from my post though.

    Part of it depends on your chicken's personality. They are living animals with their own personality. No one can truly predict what an individual chicken will do, but we can tell you what we have observed. Some flocks have a chicken that seeks out to destroy any new weaker chicken. Young chicks certainly quality as weaker, but it could be any chicken you add to the flock. Usually this is a hen, not a rooster. My roosters have always protected or ignored the young members of the flock, but that does not mean yours will. Sometimes a rooster may see them as a threat to his flock instead of an addition, but usually it is a hen with the dangerous attitude.

    Many flocks do not have chickens that will seek out and destroy a weaker chicken. That does not mean you are safe. There are still the pecking order issues. Maturity has a whole lot to do with the pecking order until they all reach maturity. Mature chickens will dominate immature chickens. Think about it as chicken etiquette. It is bad manners for a chicken lower in the pecking order to invade the personal space of a more dominant chicken. In chicken society, the more dominant chicken has the right and the expectation that they will enforce their dominant rights or lose them. If dominance is clear, the dominant chicken will peck, the less dominant is intimidated and runs away, and everything is again calm and peaceful. If dominance is not settled, they can fight to decide which one is dominant. Sometimes you have the seek-out-and-destroy types who chase the weaker ones. If the weaker has room to run away, this usually does not happen. But if the weaker one does not have room to run away or gets trapped against a fence or in a corner, the dominant one gets indignant and is determined to teach this challenger a lesson, even if the challenger is trying to run away. That is why having enough room is important.

    Food, and to a lesser extent water, is another way for a dominant chicken to enforce its dominance. The dominant chickens will often keep the less dominant away from the food, sometimes to the point that the weaker chicken can suffer from malnutrition. I keep two separate feeding stations available anyway, but when I integrate brooder raised chicks, I add a third and make sure they are well separated.

    Bedtime is the time that I have seen mine be the most vicious about enforcing their pecking order-personal space rights. Have plenty of roost space.

    I keep my brooder in the coop from day 1. I have a 3' x 5' brooder mainly made out of wire but with a good draft guard and I keep one area in the recommended temperature range. I let the far corners cool off as they will, usually around 20 to 30 degrees cooler than the heated spot. They normally spend most of the first two days under the heat, but after that they play all over, only going back to the heat when they need to. They do sleep under the heat. After they fully feather out, usually around 4 to 5 weeks, I take away the supplemental heat and take them out of the brooder. I then have a space for the adults and the chicks that is separate but where they can see each other. I let the adults free range (no fences so they have a lot of room) but keep the chicks in an enclosure until they are about 8 weeks old. At this time, I figure they are big enough to not be such hawk magnets and start letting them free range. I alternate it, the adults free range one day and the chicks the next day. They have separate sleeping areas and do not sleep together.

    After about a week of them alternating, I let them out at the same time. The chicks very quickly learn to stay away from the adults, but my adults do not go after the chicks. If their personal space if invaded, my hens will peck to enforce their pecking order rights. I've never seen my rooster do that, but he also does not get involved unless an actual fight breaks out. Then he breaks it up. These fights are when the chicks are old enough to try to establish pecking order rights, usually around 15 weeks old for roosters, a bit older for pullets. My younger chicks just try to run away.

    I let them decide where they will sleep at night. Usually around 11 to 12 weeks, the chicks move in with the adults and start roosting. Until then they sleep in a pile on the floor. When they first start sleeping together, I make it a point to open the pop door as soon as they wake up so the younger ones are not trapped in the coop with the older ones. After about a week, I can stop worrying so much about that. They can normally stay in the coop with the adults without too much danger. The younger ones stay on the roost out of the way and the older ones roam the floor where the food and water is. I have a large coop so the young ones can get away from the older ones, at least to a point.

    I think I can do it this way because I have a large coop, a large run, and I let them free range a lot. If your space is tighter, then you might have a real problem doing it this way. I'm also around during the day to watch them, but in reality after I let them out, I don't do much. It just makes me feel better if I am here. I have a fairly laidback flock with a rooster that helps broody hens raise their chicks and hens that ignore the chicks unless personal space is invaded. My circumstances are probably different yours, but hopefully you can pick something useful from all this.

    Sometimes it is so easy you wonder why you were worried and sometimes it is a disaster. Good luck!!!
     

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