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Today I continued my work from yesterday on improving the coop and run. Here are some pics below of the current setup. I adjusted the pvc pipes so that they are now arched and hopefully be better to keep the rain and snow from piling up. The tarped roof is temporary for this winter. I finally made a door, and it barely fit! Oh well, it was my first time. Also, the last pic is of a sign my MIL found for me. :D
You did a lot of work on that, i can tell because I know about how long that would have taken me to do. I do have one comment, the flexible plastic pipes should be rigidly tied together at the top (and maybe half way down each side). When you get a load on the top, the weakest place is for the pipes to move closer or farther from each other, allowing the load to settle into the valley between them, The wider that valley is, the more snow it collects and the greater the tendency to splay the pipes even further apart, widening that valley., That will continue until the weight causes the pipes to invert or that tarp to come loose, then it will all fall into the run. I hate to be the bearer or bad news, but actually seeing this happen to your run is pretty discouraging. I've given up on tarp roofs, I either use welded wire and let the precip fall through, or metal roofing (a big, expensive project with structural considerations of it's own). For this winter, you might see if you can remove the tarp and store it inside before major snow or ice events. I know that is not what you were hoping to do with this, but a squashed or trapped bird can be avoided if you do.
Thanks Dennis, I am very fortunate this year to have had some extra warm weather. This week I will try to get out there and stabilize it more. This is just temporary, to get me through the spring, when I have more time warmth to work on something more permanent. I have lots of wooden plywood / board that I will paint and mount next year. I am scavenging materials anywhere I can find them, but I just ran out of time to do the extensive project I wanted to do.
The tarp roof on my turkey shed has been holding up amazing through heavy rains and snow loads... I wonder if I have a picture somewhere. I do use a ridge pole to keep all of the rounded poles the same distance apart. When I did my chicken tractor, I bought the PVC connectors that look like a + to connect the ridge pole sections to the bent pole sections. But I was out of $$ when I did my turkey shed roof so I found a different way to connect them that I think works even better. I used a long, solid ridge pole (ie, not cut into sections) and drilled two 1/4" or so holes wherever the ridge pole would cross the rounded poles. I also drilled two holes at the center point of each rounded pole. Then I used a zip tie (the thick black ones that have UV protection) laced through each set of holes to connect the ridge pole to the curved poles. Let me know if that doesn't make sense.
That makes sense to me and was what I was trying to explain. I don't trust zip ties for long term outdoor exposure, so I would recommend Anne is wire, something about the diameter of coat hanger wire is smaller than a zip tie, but sturdier (don't want the hole to be too large, it add a "stress point", the plastic pipe will almost always break at a hole). Coat hanger wire is a little harder to bend than some of the softer wire, but better for structural integrity.
Thanks! I will do something to reinforce my run this week, weather permitting.
Thank you [@=/u/297297/duluthralphie]@duluthralphie[/@]! You already know that I want to raise some up for a sustainable meat flock :) [@=/u/286078/emorems0]@emorems0[/@], see Ralph's post for all the info on the toads :)
I just moved the Spot and his 7 friends from the hatcher to the brooder about 15 minutes ago. It is so fun to watch them when they get in the brooder and find out they have so much room, they run jump and try to fly. Chase each other.
They look awesome Ralph! Excellent work! I am hoping to start raising meaties this spring. If I am succcessful, I definitely want to start have a self reliant meat flock.
Of course I would offer them to you.
Thank you! :thumbsup
Privett has them and they are sexed (I presume you want a pullet). Do you prefer the gold or silvers?
Hi @dheltzel, yes I'd like a pullet. The gold and silvers both look nice, I've also seen a thread on BYC with self bread "platinum" Lakenvelders. They are very pretty. I'm not sure what the difference is between a Vorwerk and Golden Lakenvelder.
They are gorgeous, I would like a couple one day. But I am soon becoming maxed out with my spring chick order. :lol:
Wanted to share some pictures of my tarp roof... turns out I did cut the ridge pole but It would definitely be better not to. As I recall I was conserving pipe and used some cut scraps rather than purchase another pole. And looking at my tractor, it's is also better to secure the ribs to the ridge pole with the holes and zip ties/wire rather than cutting them and using the pvc connectors. The connectors don't stand up to the pressure of the curve and I have popped a few joints over the years. The tractor ribs aren't as curved at the top bc of this pressure at the connectors so they don't hold up to snow as well as the turkey shed roof has. Figured you could learn from my mistakes rather than making your own. And I have found that the black, heavy duty zip ties hold up really well through the elements. My tractor is 2 years old now and no sign of wear or weakening. They won't last forever of course, but it wouldn't be difficult to replace once every several years... neither pvc or tarps will hold up forever either but it's cheap enough and simple enough to replace every couple of years. And just for fun here is the pallet coop I'm working in for my breeding pen. I have about six 2x4s, and handful of 2x2s, and three corrogated panels into it, the rest is all pallet wood. I left the base as a full pallet so that it is hopefully easier to move when we eventually get relocated.
Looks good! I had a large tractor I constructed with pvc conduit (3 years ago) get destroyed by a wind storm a few months ago. Tractors take more abuse, with their frequent moving, so I should not complain about a 3 year life. Still, I am going all cattle panel construction for tractors now. 3 panels cost about $70 and make a 10 x 12 tractor that work great. I will be making a few refinements in my next one, but I'm happy with it. I have a local source for really nice pallets. They are make with 4x4's and 1x6's. I wish they were easier to disassemble, it seems they don't make them to be torn apart later.
Looks good! Good pallets are a bit harder to find, and hard to dismantle. I'm just so blessed now to have room to store materials for future projects. I have 5 pallets behind my shed waiting for spring...
Hi @dheltzel, how are you breaking your palettes? Using a crowbar is a too much hard work. The trick is to use a reciprocating saw and cut through the nails. Doing it that way it takes 5 min per palette.
Yes, I would use a sawzall, but it's still difficult to get the blade between boards that have been nailed with such force that the nailheads are recessed 1/4 inch into the face of the board. I plan to try one when I get around to it: [COLOR=111111]http://a.co/d2TNjLg [/COLOR]:D
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I took the opportunity to candle Ana's 4 eggs this morning while she was off the nest, eating breakfast. All 4 are developing very nicely! I thought that maybe they would have a hard time with temps being so cold during her breaks but they look great! They're due in about a week now. That girl is such a stubborn broody. I think she's been sitting for something like 2 months straight! I know she's a good mama though. I just hope that a couple of her babies are pure (and blue would be nice too but that's asking a bit too much!) The babies that I moved outside last week are doing great too.they still haven't figured out to go back in the coop on their own at night yet but they do know to come out in the morning and have started free ranging. They look so little ruining around everyone else lol. I don't know what it is about this group of CCLS this time but they're all shoulder birds! I did not spend much extra time with them at all but the one boy with the group outside kept jumping up on my shoulder/head yesterday and the 3 still in the brooder (2 boys, 1 girl) come flying out on to my arms and shoulders every time I open it! I wonder if that new boy I used to breed them has extra friendly genes or something? Adam's time is running low (my big red tom). He openly tried to flog me this morning. I got wrong slapped on the face but that was as far as he got. I'm ready to just hope I get a new, red tom in the eggs that are in the bator because that boy is about to find himself at freezer camp. Romeo knows that he's not tooth enough to beat Adam and take leadership but he always comes to my rescue when I pin Adam down. It'll be nice once there's peace in the turkey pen.
I wasn't aware Toms could get real nasty too! I wouldn't want to have a big turkey trying to attack me! What does that look like? Do they come at you feet first? Biting? Kicking?
GM all: Just to throw my two cents into the mix.....I tried building a PCV frame over top my 2x4x4' pen....the tarp was blue and not the thicker ones....it was 29'x20' or so.....it lasted one year....for rain it was great...for snow, you needed to sweep it clean every couple of hours or the weight just pulled everything apart....for wind it sometime held up and sometimes tore....I think if you have a semi-protected area a tarp may be functional...but out in the open, I don't think they'll hold up.... this year I decided not to protect the runs from snow/rain....I may try to jury rig something if a blizzard is moving in but for the small storms we've had, I just shovel the snow out of the way.....my two cents....
I'm with you. If I only had 1 run to protect it would be different, but at some point one tends to give up and hope for the best . . .
Here's hoping for maybe one huge snowfall, like last year...
 
So yesterday, I had a young deer that got stuck in my run. Poor thing. She did get out, but of course freaked out when she saw the dog and I. Hope she found her group. It's hard to see in the pic.



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Also, a customer brought this book in for me. It's from 1947! It's so detailed, I can't wait to read it over.

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Thanks Dennis, I am very fortunate this year to have had some extra warm weather. This week I will try to get out there and stabilize it more. This is just temporary, to get me through the spring, when I have more time warmth to work on something more permanent. I have lots of wooden plywood / board that I will paint and mount next year. I am scavenging materials anywhere I can find them, but I just ran out of time to do the extensive project I wanted to do.
Thanks! I will do something to reinforce my run this week, weather permitting.
They look awesome Ralph! Excellent work! I am hoping to start raising meaties this spring. If I am succcessful, I definitely want to start have a self reliant meat flock.
Thank you! :thumbsup
They are gorgeous, I would like a couple one day. But I am soon becoming maxed out with my spring chick order. :lol:
Looks good! Good pallets are a bit harder to find, and hard to dismantle. I'm just so blessed now to have room to store materials for future projects. I have 5 pallets behind my shed waiting for spring...
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I wasn't aware Toms could get real nasty too! I wouldn't want to have a big turkey trying to attack me! What does that look like? Do they come at you feet first? Biting? Kicking?
Here's hoping for maybe one huge snowfall, like last year...


They come at you with spurs and wings beating. VERY intimidating!
 
They are gorgeous, I would like a couple one day. But I am soon becoming maxed out with my spring chick order.
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I wasn't aware Toms could get real nasty too! I wouldn't want to have a big turkey trying to attack me! What does that look like? Do they come at you feet first? Biting? Kicking?
Seems like you caught the "poultry collecting disease" pretty hard.

I've never had a mean tom turkey, but then I've seldom had people aggressive roos either. I did have a tom put the hurt on a whole flock of peafowl, but they rather deserved it because they beat him up such that I had to remove him for a few weeks till he grew some. When he went back in, he was bigger than they were and they quickly discovered he was no longer to be trifled with. I had to separate them again, this time for the safety of the peas. Now the peas are full grown and I don't know who'd win a "cage fight", but I'm not planning to test it.

Mean roos are easily caught and subdued, especially if you are wearing gloves. A large tom would be more daunting, but midget whites never get big enough to be a real threat, so I don't think you have much to be concerned about.
 
Are turkeys noisy? Would one do ok with my chickens?
Toms are noisy, but it's a more appealing noise, people tend to like the gobble of a turkey more than the crow of a rooster. Hens make a "chucking" noise, but are quieter than chicken hens. Turkeys are so tameable and lovable that any sounds are welcome, IMO. Tame toms are quite showy, and some people claim they dissuade certain predators by their size. Tame hens are the sweetest poultry you can find. They run to me and want me to hand feed them grass or bread, then move in close to get a hug.
 
So yesterday, I had a young deer that got stuck in my run. Poor thing. She did get out, but of course freaked out when she saw the dog and I. Hope she found her group. It's hard to see in the pic.



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Also, a customer brought this book in for me. It's from 1947! It's so detailed, I can't wait to read it over.

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The poor deer, I hope it didn't do much damage to your run breaking in and hope it found its clan after release.

The book is awesome! Enjoy the reading!
 
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Eek! Good thing I only have midget whites so far. And my Tom is very calm. He was not hand raised, but he is still very cool to have.
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I keep my three turkeys roaming free with my chickens. They all seem to stay in a group and do very well so far. The only squabbles come from one of the turkey hens chasing the chickens away from the food occasionally.
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Indeed, I have caught a bad case. I remember years ago, when I was a little girl, we visited a family that lived in the country. The woman had a few egg layers and they were running around. I have wanted chickens ever since. I even told my husband that it was part of our "marriage contract" that I be allowed to have chickens one day. I don't think he was prepared for the "gateway" livestock effect. Haha! He does like watching them run around the yard though....
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Quote: The deer didn't do any damage, to herself or the run. Don't know if she was reunited.
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