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Thank you for the work you are doing. Unfortunately, I don’t think most people have the dedication to do what it takes to do what you’re doing. So how does that work with you sending the chicks? Are you shipping day olds or hatching eggs? Are you line breeding his stock or do you have other bloodlines that you are sending him? How did you get involved in this? Sorry for all the questions but I’m very interested in what you are doing and I would love to be of assistance in anyway I can at some point.
I keep telling myself I need to cut back on number of breeds, then a new breed catches my fancy and I have to have them . . . familiar refrain to poultry hobbyists.

A few years back I emailed and offered to send some chicks of breeds/colors he did not have, no strings attached. It just sort of grew from that, I probably sent him 200 - 300 chicks this year, some of varieties I sent before, but these were Marek's vaccinated, so hopefully will survive better for him. He really wants to select for Marek's resistance, but you first need a healthy line of broodstock to produce large numbers of chicks to raise without vaccination, keeping the survivors from each generation. I've done that for several years and lose a lot fewer Legbars now than in the past, but started vaccinating to make life easier overall.
Unless someone wants to breed something that Sand Hill is the only source for, I think it is better to find an alternate source and breed those, then send chicks or eggs to Glen for him to grow out and compare to his lines. For example, he has a line of Legbars from before I sent him my stock that came from Greenfire (Jill Rees line). Now he has mine integrated into his line and his line is not very closely related to mine at all, so if I ever see inbreeding depression, I can get a few from him to outcross. Generally, inbreeding is a far less common problem than you would expect. The best defense is to raise a lot of chicks and cull heavily for anything that seems weak or otherwise not where you are going. Well bred lines can handle decades of inbreeding and only seem to get better.
 
The majority of the veg I grow have come from seed that has been passed down through family for generations. I meet a lot of gardeners in my job and have developed relationships with them and there is a constant sharing of these older varieties that you can’t really purchase through major retailers. It is its own community of like minded people and there is something really enjoyable about it to me.
If you have significant varieties that are unidentified, or loosely identified, you could send some seeds to Glen with as much history and details as you have. He may be able to grow them out and tell you if they seem identical to an established variety or if they are new to him. Most of his rare heirlooms have been passed to him by family members or friends that are trying to preserve old varieties, exactly as you are doing.

Also, I assume you are familiar with Roughwood, since they are almost in your backyard!
There are a lot more people/companies doing heirloom seeds than there are doing heritage poultry. That tells you a lot about the economics of both "businesses". https://www.roughwoodtable.org/
 
I am feeling irritated, and it ties into the current subject… I think. So, I am going to vent about a plant nursery. While I grew up with a spider and snake plant in the house, I never really loved plants. Fast forward to this year, I finally like indoor plants, and I have about 20. The point there being that I am finally learning specifics about plants.
Today I received an email that “the Thanksgiving/Christmas/Easter cactus is back in stock!” These are all different plants. That is like a poultry nursery saying they have Ameraucanas. We know that it’s almost always just a blue or green layer. Until today, I didn’t think that I had to distrust what a plant nursery said. I like the selection of plants and prices of this nursery, but I think that was the last straw after my first (and last) order with them.
 
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I am sorry you have to say goodbye, it is the hardest, and kindest, thing we have to do as pet parents. You know it is the right time, and yes, you will cry and miss him horribly, but you will also have memories of good times and a warm place in your heart where he will always live....
We did quite a bit of reminiscing with the kids last night…the funny thing was, at least half our memories involve Jack biting someone, he was quite the biter. Bit and drew blood on ALL of us, couldn’t be trusted around children until almost all of his teeth were gone. But we loved him fiercely anyway. His best buddy was a Blue Great Dane (Peach), he’s resting next to her now and I hang onto the hope that they are now frolocking together.
 
I keep telling myself I need to cut back on number of breeds, then a new breed catches my fancy and I have to have them . . . familiar refrain to poultry hobbyists.

A few years back I emailed and offered to send some chicks of breeds/colors he did not have, no strings attached. It just sort of grew from that, I probably sent him 200 - 300 chicks this year, some of varieties I sent before, but these were Marek's vaccinated, so hopefully will survive better for him. He really wants to select for Marek's resistance, but you first need a healthy line of broodstock to produce large numbers of chicks to raise without vaccination, keeping the survivors from each generation. I've done that for several years and lose a lot fewer Legbars now than in the past, but started vaccinating to make life easier overall.
Unless someone wants to breed something that Sand Hill is the only source for, I think it is better to find an alternate source and breed those, then send chicks or eggs to Glen for him to grow out and compare to his lines. For example, he has a line of Legbars from before I sent him my stock that came from Greenfire (Jill Rees line). Now he has mine integrated into his line and his line is not very closely related to mine at all, so if I ever see inbreeding depression, I can get a few from him to outcross. Generally, inbreeding is a far less common problem than you would expect. The best defense is to raise a lot of chicks and cull heavily for anything that seems weak or otherwise not where you are going. Well bred lines can handle decades of inbreeding and only seem to get better.
The 2 breeds I’m most interested in are Jersey Giants and Naked Necks. Next in line would be White Rocks and Black Australorps. I think I could manage all 4 of those breeds but it would be at a slower pace than what you are currently doing. I would only be hatching 100-200 per year but I believe that would still give me enough to work with. I’ve yet to find a hatchery that has JGs even close to the size they should be other than Sand Hill. As far as the other breeds, short of finding the fore mentioned unicorn, I’d imagine it would be years of work towards improvement before I had anything worth sharing. Thank you.
 
If you have significant varieties that are unidentified, or loosely identified, you could send some seeds to Glen with as much history and details as you have. He may be able to grow them out and tell you if they seem identical to an established variety or if they are new to him. Most of his rare heirlooms have been passed to him by family members or friends that are trying to preserve old varieties, exactly as you are doing.

Also, I assume you are familiar with Roughwood, since they are almost in your backyard!
There are a lot more people/companies doing heirloom seeds than there are doing heritage poultry. That tells you a lot about the economics of both "businesses". https://www.roughwoodtable.org/
I’m not familiar with them so thanks for the link. I may try contacting Sand Hill to see if I have anything they would be interested in. I grow a lot of things you can’t find in a grocery store. Bitter Melon, Callaloo, Python Beans, etc.
 
I am feeling irritated, and it ties into the current subject… I think. So, I am going to vent about a plant nursery. While I grew up with a spider and snake plant in the house, I never really loved plants. Fast forward to this year, I finally like indoor plants, and I have about 20. The point there being that I am finally learning specifics about plants.
Today I received an email that “the Thanksgiving/Christmas/Easter cactus is back in stock!” These are all different plants. That is like a poultry nursery saying they have Ameraucanas. We know that it’s almost always just a blue or green layer. Until today, I didn’t think that I had to distrust what a plant nursery said. I like the selection of plants and prices of this nursery, but I think that was the last straw after my first (and last) order with them.
Unfortunately most people, even in the trade, don’t know they are different plants. Many growers don’t even specify which variety they have. They might list Christmas Cactus on an availability and when you order them, you receive a mix of all three varieties. Things are becoming less reliable in the plant business because they are trying to produce too much too fast and quality suffers. I have been seeing this decline for years and it’s unfortunate. I believe the online plant sellers are helping to speed up the decline in quality and reliability. I don’t think it’s being done purposely it is just a result of chasing profit. IME buying plants online is hit or miss at best. That being said, it’s getting harder and harder to find a good garden center to shop at. Just my opinion.
 
Just look at this beautiful sight. This is my whole little flock: 3 adult hens, 4 pullets nearly laying, and the last of the guineas. It took a little longer (okay, a lot longer!) than I expected, but everyone is finally getting along fine! :celebrate
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Surprise!! I didn't even know she was broody. I know I have 3 broodies up in the coop but never saw this one. Katelyn always closes the chicken coops at night and I close the turkey coop. Apparently, this one had herself a secret little nest under the pine tree in the run where nobody could see her. So much for downsizing lol. She's a silkie feathered ameraucana and her babies are all project babies. Dads are either silkie or blue egg laying silkie.

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Why is it that any time I TRY to let a broody hatch eggs, it always fails but when I don't want it to happen, I end up with this lol
 

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