phoenix or welsummer?

[HEATHERINOTSEGO]

Bought 3 of these at the local Family Farm and Home in a bin labled "mixed batnams".

Can not figure out what they are!

 

[ancdwc]

I have two that look the same. Most seem to think it's an old English game bantam.

 

[HEATHERINOTSEGO]

Here's some additional photos. Are they still old english game?

 

[HEATHERINOTSEGO]

 

[elsiesclucks]

I'm a rookie with some breeds. I have some chicks that resemble mottled houdans but 4 toes and no crest. Are they mottled orps?