Pipped then died?

[isis]

Today is day 21 for my 2nd hatch attempt this year... 4 silkies, and 6 turken-crossed (hopefully the silkie is the daddy, I switched the hen to this roo 2 weeks +before collecting the eggs to hatch). Well the 1st Turken was pipped around 8pm yesterday and 3 more Turkens pipped before 10pm when I went to bed- by then the 1st pip had his beak out and was opening and closing his mouth.

As of now, all of my eggs are pipped and 2 birds hatched this AM. The first pipper though died. I took him out when I saw his beak wasn't moving this morning and broke open the egg (don't worry about the other eggs, the humidity/temp in that room is high)... he looked great unfortunately. One thing I noticed when his beak was out last night and he was alive is that I could see liquid around it... is that normal? My humidty has been 50-65% the whole hatch and I didn't raise it for lockdown (my two successful hatches 2 years ago were done this way). What worries me if of my pipped eggs, ANOTHER one has water around the beak... though all the other ones do not.

I took him out (the live guy with water in the egg) and tried to push the membrane away from his beak so the liquid wasn't blocking his breathing, but there is still blood in the membrane so he isn't ready to come out anyway... So is it normal and he just broke through too soon? I'm so confused o.0 I just don't want another chick to die for no reason.

*edit to add* I checked back in the incubator... the silkies are resting in their eggs, the other 2 turkens are moving about and occasionally open their beaks but this one guy looks like he's panting he just keeps opening and closing... :-/

 

[Christie Rhae]

I incubate at 25% humidity and hatch at 55% and have never had all that liquid that you are talking about since I started doing this.
Have you read about "dry incubation"?
Here is a link to an article that convinced me to switch...
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-incubate-hatch-eggs-using-the-dry-incubation-method

 

[aoxa]

I incubate at 25% humidity and hatch at 55% and have never had all that liquid that you are talking about since I started doing this.  
Have you read about "dry incubation"?  
Here is a link to an article that convinced me to switch...
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/how-to-incubate-hatch-eggs-using-the-dry-incubation-method

I did dry incubation as well - humidity was between 40% - 25% until day 18 (I added water occasionally and let it call to 25% before adding a bit more) - and all came out well except the first. There was a lot of liquid and it was foaming around the beak. It died within a few hours.. The rest were fine..

There shouldn't be any water though.. Has it pipped at the right place?

 

[nurse_turtle]

Wow. 50-65% humidity during the whole hatch seem awfully high. Excess water in the egg is due to having a too high humidity level overall. 50-65% is what I like to see during lockdown. The first 18 days are dry incubated for me and hold around 30%.

 

[isis]

Thanks to everyone who replied

For some reason, when my humidity is lower my chicks don't hatch at all :-/ When I first tried hatching a couple of years ago, I had large amounts of eggs in the incubator, some would grow but NONE would make it 21 days. I finally threw in a ton of sponges to get the humidity as high as I could, they hatched, I did another the same way, they hatched and then I quit until now.

I live right by a river... so the air here is REALLY humid. I'm sure the outside vs inside humidity has something to do with it... The humidity outside my incubator was higher then the inside on my bad hatches (which I read somewhere was bad), so I raised the inside to meet the outside and it "fixed" it. I had 8 eggs this batch (this is my first batch since "starting back up" that was successful, had temp issues due to a bad thermometer before...). 6 hatched and the other two were the water ones I mentioned above (the 2nd died within an hour of my posting)... I didn't have the issue on my hatches years ago... and there were a lot more eggs.

I keep reading about chicks pipping and hitting water in the air cell if the humidity is too high... but this was water in the "chick's" part of the egg- the air cell was totally dry. They did both pip in the right spot, all looked good. Why would 6 be fine and 2 be too wet- shouldn't it have affected them all? I'm so confused, lol.

I'd love to try the dry hatch (I don't think that was a "thing" before), everyone seems to love it here, if I can get more info from someone who has done it in a place as humid as mine I'm game...

Really, I guess a 75% hatch isn't so bad... but it's sad to see their little beaks moving and them not make it :-(

 

[Christie Rhae]

How humid is it normally where you live, in the room where you hatch?
My normal humidity is typically 55-60% and I never add water during incubation if I have a full incubator. If I only have a few eggs in there I have to add a tsp of water every few days to keep the humidity at 20%.
It sounds like your chicks are just not losing enough moisture.

 

[aoxa]

It is very humid where I live. Room humidity was 56% this morning. Outside right now it is 87% - in summer we can get up to 100% humidity. It's disgusting.. Anyway.. I had only 1 that pipped not make it - the rest that pipped all hatched. That was 28/36 Some should probably have been removed at lockdown, but I couldn't see in the eggs well at all.

Not only will they hit water if the humidity is too high, the chicks will grow too large and won't make it to pip. I would keep it lower for sure. Raise it up as high as possible during lockdown. Mine was around 75% during the hatch.

My incubator did not measure humidity properly. It was off by at least 10%

 

[Enosara]

Okie my 1st time hatching. Started for a Kinder project. Bought automatic incubator, read all I could fine. Bought fertilized eggs, received 19 intact eggs and 2 were broken in transit. Followed all instructions for "scrambled" shipment then started them in 37.5 C incubator with 40-50% humidity. Candled at 7 & 14 days removed 5 eggs (4 underutilized at 21 day and 1 fertilized that didn't progress at 18 days) the rest were what appeared to be different levels of progress. Day 21 came and went. Praying for actual success I let them sit past day 18 at 50-65% humidity and on day 26 thought all was lost because none pipped or hatched. On check found one Easter Egger chick pipping thru eggs, beak showing and chirping at 1230 pm. By 7 pm the chick beak was no longer moving. No other egg has pipped. What is the problem....please help

 

[3riverschick]

If you had two eggs broken in the shipment it's very possible that the insides of the other eggs were scrambled. the eggshell may have been intact but the contents inside could have been damaged. that may be why you had such a bad hatch. it may not be anything you did with incubation and may just have been scrambled eggs. next time see if you can pick up eggs that are closer to you so you can hand carry them and see if that will help.
Karen