yup they seem like the performing oriental rollers ive seen from outside of usa on utube videos, so guessing they are them, but the one having the tail of the fantails sold with them, still makes me wonder would it roll good or not when older (as two are still squeakers, and seem to be with adult pair looking similar except tail totally differant). guy says they roll though, but sometimes carry wings/tail at odd angles, so stance in general unsure of how to tell, though they all have thirteen tail feathers.. so does the number of feathers on tail mean orientals, as my racer squeaker only has twelve??? these are alot lankier, longer, taller and all around bigger than my buddy's supposing birminghams. any way to tell which roller they are, and what types of rollers there all are to look up on? anything differant in care, or are rollers rollers, and pigeons pigeons for that matter? if i get them to rear some birminghams or try to fly or keep together later in bigger cage except for breeding, will there be any added trouble or care?