Plymouth Rock thread!

[aoxa]

Like the pictures and they look very nice. This is what one should expect from PEI CHICKENS nice SPPRs

.How many SPPRs do you have males / females?

I know for sure I had four females in the picture. I think I may have 6 total girls and probably a good 8 boys. I will only keep two males.

 

[aoxa]

Look, look, look. Look what a BR pullet should look like. Look at the head!!! Nice and deep in the front, nice tail and let's hope it stiffens soon. What a sweetie. Is she a pure Maine bird, Justine?

Well he worked with that line for many years now, so I wouldn't say she is a pure Maine bird now.

 

[Silver Rock]

I know for sure I had four females in the picture. I think I may have 6 total girls and probably a good 8 boys. I will only keep two males. 

2 males and 6 females should give you a good start. If needed I am sure you could get more eggs or chicks from PEI CHICKENS.

 

[aoxa]

2 males and 6 females should give you a good start.

If needed I am sure you could get more eggs or chicks from PEI CHICKENS.

She's only an hour drive away

 

[Silver Rock]

Last year when I first started looking for breeders of the Silver Penciled Plymouth Rocks I was very disappointed in the number of breeders I found. But now I know of at least 10 breeders of this great Variety the Silver Penciled Plymouth Rocks. I am very happy to see this very rare Variety of the Plymouth Rocks getting more attention.

 

[Silver Rock]

My Danny Padgett - Silver Penciled Plymouth Rock chicks.

 

[speckledhen]

At the risk of talking about something other than Silver Penciled Rocks, Fred and Scott and whoever knows a lot about the barred variety, if I breed Indy back to his mother and aunts and begin coming up with birds who look like quality BRs, would you say I can sell them as pure BRs the first generation, since in effect, Indy is more like 75% BR, visually is a BR, and with the Stukel hens, should produce birds who do look as good as he does, maybe better?

Of course, that will be my own line of BRs, not Stukel Rocks. Naturally, the quality wouldn't just come from Stukel, but from Holtman as breeder of the Delawares who also will be in the lineage of the progeny, and all those she drew from in her experience, but you can't keep reciting "pedigrees". They would then be my own creation, wouldn't you say? Not that I care about fame as any sort of breeder. I just like quality birds in my yard and I like that people get quality looking and healthy birds from me.

 

[Fred's Hens]

The Barred Rock is a composite bird. They aren't species. They are an invention of talented breeders. Always have been. Composite breeds aren't pure anything. The phenotype determines the breed. To get that phenotype, the genotype has to be true and breed true. Hope I said that close to right. LOL

The Delaware has New Hamp blood and this is the ringer. But, a true BR is true because he LOOKS like a BR and breeds true. I think it was Walt Leonard, our resident judge, master breeder and all around good guy who showed a photo of a bird he won Best of Breed with as a Wyandotte but didn't have a drop of "Wyandotte" blood in her.

Cyn, I would do this. I'd breed him back, just as you suggest, and check the offspring. My guess is that this MAY take more than a single generation to prove to your own mind that the offspring are breeding true. If the offspring are true, than they are true BR. That's all there is to this matter. If I didn't say it so it makes sense, feel free to re-state your query. BTW, sign me up for some of the F1's of that. They're going to be spectacular.

 

[speckledhen]

I also heard of a Delaware who won at a show who was half Delaware, but I know how that goes since I bred Isaac to my red BLRWxBBS Ameraucana hen and came out with a rooster who appears to be, for all intents and purposes, a Columbian Rock, no barring of any kind on him, just CR. Scott saw his photo awhile back when the bird was younger. He may not be the perfect CR, but he sure would pass for one! The thing is, Fred, as you are basically saying, if it looks like one and produces like kind, it is one, no matter what breeds are in its lineage. Naturally, most of our modern breeds are "alphabet soup", which is what I call those long strings of gene designations that I never quite understand, lol.

Maybe I'll just have to have the Mountain View Poultry line of Barred Plymouth Rocks, then, some day. Indy better behave himself because I think temperament is just as important as looks, contrary to the opinions of others. Already, most people come to me because I don't keep ill-tempered birds, other than those nasty little D'Anver males, who are the exception. Little pitbulls, they are, except that I even have one of those that is sweet on me, lol. I'm not going to keep those forever, though. They were an experiment in miniatures.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Lots of famous lines of various breeds had an injection of something else needed for size, clarifying a color or pattern, leg color, etc, etc. It has been done and is still being done. However, the introduction of a whole new passel of genes into the BR line of Marven Stukel birds will mean some culling will the in order. It may take a few generations to crowd out the influence of the NH that is in your boy. If you keep going back to the Stukel line, eventually the portion of the offspring that has NH is ever decreasing.

The genes of the Stukel birds are stable. They been stabilized by generations of common line breeding. The offspring are very predictable. An injection of outside blood creates a very wide palette possibility of genetic connection. But, breed it back, breed it back, breed it back and the genetic options stabilize again.

Yes, if they look like the breed and breed true to the breed, then they ARE that breed.