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Here's one of my frizzle bantam pullets. she is kind of still molting.
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This is not right. Black X blue will give you 50% blue, 50% black. Same goes for chocolate X black.

Yep, I miss typed there, I was half asleep, and had a brain laps.
50/50 is right on using a black.
And yep, that's why I missed the only 2 blacks thing too...sorry for the confusion, need some coffee before I type, LOL

As for the chocolate/dun thing. Chocolate is mainly a European color, we have very very few true chocolate birds here. Mainly only in seramas, yes.
Chocolates are like lavenders (self blues) They are a true to the color breeding bird. If your "browns" produce khakis, then they are dun not chocolate. Also, true chocolates are a much darker, truer brown where duns are often a brownish grey color.

the khaki ones you hatched definitely came from the dun pen though. Now if you want to make all duns, use the blacks and khakis, you'll get all dun then.

And yes, I have had about every color of bantam polish out there, from WC blacks to Tolbunts.
Right now though, I only keep them in black crested whites, crevecouers, mottled houdans bantams.
 
The Chocolate Gene
The gene for chocolate operates in much the same way as the blue gene. It should be noted, however, that it is not a mutation of the blue gene and operates on a seperate allele, allowing for both the chocolate and blue genes to co-exist on the same bird.

The chocolate (more commonly referred to a "dun") gene has one heterozygous expression and two homozygous. In the first homozygous pairing, the birds produced are solid black. These birds lack the gene to produce the chocolate coloring completely. The second homozygous pairing can be likend to "splash" and is expressed as "khaki". Two khakis bred together yield only khakis, just like two splash produce only splash offspring. Khaki bred to chocolate produce equal amounts of chocolate and khaki offspring. If a khaki is bred to a black all the offspring will be heterozygous, thus "chocolate in color. This brings us to the chocolate, which is akin to blue as it is heterozygous form. Remember, "hetero" means different while "homo" means same. Two chocolates bred together yield chocolates, khakis, and blacks. Chocolate to black yields chocolates and blacks.

This is a quote from the Polish Breeders Club website about the chocolate gene. I have hatched many chocolate chicks and I always think they are black until they are over 2 weeks old, then, in the right light, one can distinguish the dark brown instead of black color. My khaki female chicks are generally lighter than my khaki male chicks. Hope this helps a bit.
 
yep, that is 100% correct, except for calling them chocolate to start with, so many people do that, especially in polish, which is just a hobby name for the color, and at times causes some confusion . Because the true chocolate are self breeding and 100% true to the color.
I have them in d'anver and have had them in polish before as well.
There is a very distinct difference to me in all 3 colors as chicks though.
black as chicks are well, black
the khaki are a powder grey
the dun are a dark grey

just like the 3 different chicks in the original pics.
 
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Except that true "chocolate" is a sex linked gene, and lavender is a recessive gene - right Aubrey???
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See, this is where hobby names get confusing. We just discussed this on another thread about dun silkies being sold as "chocolates". Chocolate and dun are two completely different genes and are inherited in completely different ways - "chocolate" is a sex linked gene, and "dun" is incompletely dominant. They have completely different designations as well. (One of our genetic gurus will have to fill in all the info on alleles and the actual designations here tho.)

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I'm not sure I completely understand this statement - can someone enlighten me?

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I don't understand why a "breeders club" is calling dun chocolate??? *True* chocolate is not dun, and dun is not *true* chocolate, and IMO, the fact that an organization like this words it in this way makes it even more confusing to people that don't know the difference.
 
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And, this may be from the site, but whomever put that up there needs to do some more research. Chocolate and dun are two different genes! T.F. is right, they are just confusing people.
 
yep, that's right Turle Feathers, LOL

And yep, I have seen that stuff on the polish club before and wondered about that too, Think they would call them right there??

BUT they also have self chocolates overseas in polish, so am wondering if they are all a touch confused on which is which.
but plain and simple, if they produce khakis, they are dun regardless of the breed, not chocolate, that is a different color
would be the same as calling Andalusian blue birds, lavenders basically.

Pretty much in the U.S , if it's brownish, really it's dun, cause we just dont have many true chocolate birds here in any breed.

BUT, like yall have said, there are a multitude of threads on here about the two, and all are seeming to be calling their dun birds, chocolate, seen them called that in polish, silkies, old english, sumatra, well pretty much every breed there is on here alone, LOL
 
Yes, White-Crested Chocolate is the ABA approved name for the variety. The White-Crested Khaki variety was developed by Al Westling. The ABA did initially want to call the variety White-Crested Dun but he insisted on calling them khaki after the color of his uniform pants he wore while in the service. To avoid confusion, I think it is preferable to stick with the approved names in accepted varieties. Besides, khaki and chocolate sound so much more attractive than dun, don't they?
 
yep chocolate sounds better on paper, but that's not genetically what they are, would be similar to calling a blue polish a lavender polish, just cause it sounds better, LOL
When we all know lavender is self blue.
Well chocolate and dun are basically the same thing, except for chocolate being a sex linked color where lavender isnt.
 
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