Porcelain brahmas (millie flure)

[Mbrew]

Just curious what the genetics are on the porcelain brahmas. Usually porcelain means white but these are not.

 

[HonkABC]

Porcelain is Millie fleur with lavender over it.

 

[Mbrew]

Porcelain is Millie fleur with lavender over it.

So will offspring always hatch millie Fleur or is there a chance of the lavender

 

[HonkABC]

Lavender is recessive, and the mottled gene, which makes Millie fleur, is also recessive. If you breed to another porcelain, you will get 100% porcelain. If you breed to a Millie fleur, you will get 100% Millie fleur, but if you breed to a non Millie fleur or non porcelain, then you can cross the F1s together to get 25% Millie fleur and 25% porcelain, and 50% other. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please!

 

[Amer]

In America the term Porcelain means mille fleur with the lavender gene but in Europe Porcelain means mille fluer. They are using the European terminology since porcelain Brahmas were developed in Europe.

 

[Mbrew]

Lavender is recessive, and the mottled gene, which makes Millie fleur, is also recessive. If you breed to another porcelain, you will get 100% porcelain. If you breed to a Millie fleur, you will get 100% Millie fleur, but if you breed to a non Millie fleur or non porcelain, then you can cross the F1s together to get 25% Millie fleur and 25% porcelain, and 50% other. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please!

Okay!!! So brahmas breed true to color, and the colors don't get "muddy" like some other breeds. For example I have a bantam cochin pen with black mottled, blue mottled, and splash. And the chicks hatch one of those 3 colors. Where seramas colors mix

 

[Amer]

Okay!!! So brahmas breed true to color, and the colors don't get "muddy" like some other breeds. For example I have a bantam cochin pen with black mottled, blue mottled, and splash. And the chicks hatch one of those 3 colors. Where seramas colors mix

No.
Black, blue, and splash are special because they are separated by one gene, the blue gene.
Cochin colors do get muddy crossed together.
If you crossed a red with a black, you wouldn't get a pure color.
I also wouldn't recommend crossing mottled and unmottled Cochins together. It's true mottled is an accepted variety, but to select for the best color possible you have to select parents with good mottling and if one of them is not mottled you can't know if their pattern is good or not.
Also, with the non mottled offspring you would need to tell people they are buying birds that could potentially carry mottling or they'd get a surprise down the line and who knows if that's what they want.

 

[Mbrew]

No.
Black, blue, and splash are special because they are separated by one gene, the blue gene.
Cochin colors do get muddy crossed together.
If you crossed a red with a black, you wouldn't get a pure color.
I also wouldn't recommend crossing mottled and unmottled Cochins together. It's true mottled is an accepted variety, but to select for the best color possible you have to select parents with good mottling and if one of them is not mottled you can't know if their pattern is good or not.
Also, with the non mottled offspring you would need to tell people they are buying birds that could potentially carry mottling or they'd get a surprise down the line and who knows if that's what they want.

Ohh this is great info. Thank you!!!