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[aveca]

yes,cohin was introdcucded and infusions were added time and again through their history. the english had an idea of what they wanted.. a very large bodied table bird with tender meat. and a beautiful neat appearance to the tail. top show birds in england right this minute look nothing like anything we have here. the breeders here are importing to improve ours. the best here are still the classic big beautiful birds. breeders here are doing a wonderful job.

if you look at pictures of modern australian orpingtons they look nothing like australorps in us.they kept adding well bred black orpingtons and some clean legged langshans because they had also an idea of how they wanted the birds to look.
chicken breeds are always evolving

 

[ruth]

yes,cohin was introdcucded and infusions were added time and again through their history. the english had an idea of what they wanted.. a very large bodied table bird with tender meat. and a beautiful neat appearance to the tail. top show birds in england right this minute look nothing like anything we have here. the breeders here are importing to improve ours. the best here are still the classic big beautiful birds. breeders here are doing a wonderful job.

if you look at pictures of modern australian orpingtons they look nothing like australorps in us.they kept adding well bred black orpingtons and some clean legged langshans because they had also an idea of how they wanted the birds to look.
chicken breeds are always evolving

Thank you for this post. The latest posts reflect what I was trying to say earlier about how using the term ' "100%" English Orpington ' is a bit of a misnomer. And when I said "what's in name" it seemed many thought I was saying it's okay to call any breed of chicken anything you want. That was not my point at all. Many breeds in this country and in others were created by breeding in other breeds till a certain "look" was achieved. My point was that the English and the Americans each have a different SOP and most people can agree, when looking at an Orpington, whether it fits the English or the American SOP best - BUT....either way.....how it got to looking the way it looks and where it came from and who initially bred the line are not factored in when showing. Instead, what seems to be all that matters, is how it looks now and how it fits SOP.

I refer back to what I learned when I first got involved with Marans. I was shocked to learn that the breed in this country evolved (mostly over the last few years) by breeding lots of other breeds into the mix until they ended up with something that looked like the Marans of France. I was initially shocked that you could even do that. I thought "don't they DNA test them or something?" Now that they are APA approved, I've learned that no, they don't DNA test them, they don't do background checks, they don't ask for boarding papers or import papers......instead if it looks like a Black Copper Marans it's a Black Copper Marans and you can even use the term 100% if you want - but I still say that's an odd term to apply to any chicken breed.

 

[chickened]

Jeremy... sometimes I post things with the hope to stimulate conversation and yes sometimes they are controversial or have strong emotional opinions associated with them and it puts forth feedback where I can learn from others, hear their thoughts on the topic and where others learn by reading these posts as well. We are all adults here and semi professional in mannerism (hopefully) and some of us are still learning and have yet to know everything.

As for why I am curious to the cochin blood in English, English birds have some good qualities, some of those qualities I like and would like to put in my projects they also have poor qualities which is a cochin appearance in body shape and plumage being too long for example. Now if I can get input from folks that think similar in opinion as I do hopefully when breeding my birds I can avoid the undesirable traits by learning from their mistakes. Sometimes being patient has virtue, slow to anger quick to help, not judging. I have never had sensitivity training maybe it is time I do.

No, I'm honestly wondering what your point is in any of your posts? You're doing nothing but alluding to the fact that the Imported birds may have Cochin blood in them. Okay. So what? What is your point? I'm just not understanding your logic and where you're trying to go with this train of thought... it seems completely irrelevant, IMO.

It seems to me all you're trying to do is stir the pot and start a argument. Again, IMO. If that was you're intention then you at least got what you were looking for from me, in a manner of speaking. But I question still what the point of it all is? Why do I care that you're so bent on getting people to believe that the Imported English Orpingtons may have Cochin blood bred into them?

I dunno. I've decided to not care though.

 

[Kiki A]

I would post my pics of my buff orp, Resa, but I don't know how to post pics.

 

[jeremy]

The latest posts reflect what I was trying to say earlier about how using the term ' "100%" English Orpington ' is a bit of a misnomer.

The reason most people label their birds 100% or pure English, etc. mostly has to do with selling their birds.

I would not want to be sold a bird that is marketed as 100% pure, imported from England to learn that it actually has only 25% or 50% English blood, having been mixed with American lines.

So just because a bird can "look" 100% pure English, does not mean it is. That's where things can get sketchy and you have to be careful who you buy from. A LOT of people are just looking to make a quick buck off of all the new imported breeds and colors, so of course it would be easy to cross in American Orpingtons to help produce more birds faster. At that point though your line is no longer 100% pure English and marketing it that way is just wrong. It is misleading to a seller and bad business.

Pictures speak a thousand words.

 

[jeremy]

Jeremy... sometimes I post things with the hope to stimulate conversation and yes sometimes they are controversial or have strong emotional opinions associated with them and it puts forth feedback where I can learn from others, hear their thoughts on the topic and where others learn by reading these posts as well. We are all adults here and semi professional in mannerism (hopefully) and some of us are still learning and have yet to know everything.

As for why I am curious to the cochin blood in English, English birds have some good qualities, some of those qualities I like and would like to put in my projects they also have poor qualities which is a cochin appearance in body shape and plumage being too long for example. Now if I can get input from folks that think similar in opinion as I do hopefully when breeding my birds I can avoid the undesirable traits by learning from their mistakes. Sometimes being patient has virtue, slow to anger quick to help, not judging. I have never had sensitivity training maybe it is time I do.

If you would have said this to begin with I probably would have gotten less upset with you. But just saying "English Orps look like Cochins" over and over again doesn't do anything. Now I can somewhat understand your point and what you're interested in doing with these birds.

 

[aveca]

its just my opinion , maybe im a little bias, but i think this group in BYC has some of the best orps in the US.some very careful work went into what you see in here.
i see more than a few birds in here that can hold thier own in any competition. the quality is good.

I was talking to one of the english breeders who breeds up to a couple hundred then culls right down to a handful..they keep only the very best, but the genes are there in those culls if you know what your doing, you can really make something of those. the 17 time world champion australion orpington breeders freind said to him, give me your third worst culls, and i will come back and beat you with those in 3 years..he did just that.

a different breed owner in here took a breed that was on the crtically endangered list, used improved versions of the birds that ware the origional foundation stock, like the new german new hampshires, and won nationals with that bird..i can only hope that breeders like the people in here keep working at this. they are a kind of a modern day noahs ark, preserving breeds that have unique things about them, but are useless to commercial producers so were almost lost into the dustbin of time without these enthusiastic breeders, we would have a lot of breeds on the critical or extinct list.

 

[aveca]

Jeremy, your birds are classic, stunning birds. you have done such a wonderful job. and i want galanis hen in the avatar.
i am a huge admirer of both you guys.. when we finish our chicken palace..love to talk to you if you ever sell any hatching eggs.

 

[galanie]

Jeremy, your birds are classic, stunning birds. you have done such a wonderful job. and i want galanis hen in the avatar.
i am a huge admirer of both you guys.. when we finish our chicken palace..love to talk to you if you ever sell any hatching eggs.

Thank you so much but the credit goes to Rebel Yell. It was his birds that produced her. He no longer has those birds, I understand, but has 100% English instead. These were part English and looked as though they had more english in them than they did.

I admit, I am proud of her though. And when I have them in the front for an hour before dark, passersby remark on her too. Rebel Yell did a fantastic job with those birds.

 

[pips&peeps]

I knew they were cochins from the picture, you can see the foot feathering on the hen.