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[HallFamilyFarm]

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Install a security system. They will be back. They know they left some.

you may also consider a livestock guardian dog trained on poultry. They get very particular about who enters their pastures.

 

[Bulldogma]

cock a doodle doo...thats a little roo..

Thanks everyone! You confirmed my suspicions - LOL! He'll be going to the Gilmanor swap in VA on the 15th!

 

[thedragonlady]

Install a security system. They will be back. They know they left some.

you may also consider a livestock guardian dog trained on poultry. They get very particular about who enters their pastures.

I have ADT on the house, but I doubt they would wire the runs. I DO have a friend with a motion activated camera though .A friend from Florida also suggested criss cross monofilament 8 feet off the ground over the orchard.They use it in 8' grids to keep sea gulls away from swimming pools.The netting over the bushes does the same thing, but will not protect them in the open. I may do that just to rule out having a hawk strike ever.

My chain link is the very heavy duty stuf, buried 2 feet, and under the roofs as well. Not the sort you see on cheap dog kennels. It's a bear to cut.

 

[aveca]

I have ADT on the house, but I doubt they would wire the runs. I DO have a friend with a motion activated camera though .A friend from Florida also suggested criss cross monofilament 8 feet off the ground over the orchard.They use it in 8' grids to keep sea gulls away from swimming pools.The netting over the bushes does the same thing, but will not protect them in the open. I may do that just to rule out having a hawk strike ever.

My chain link is the very heavy duty stuf, buried 2 feet, and under the roofs as well. Not the sort you see on cheap dog kennels. It's a bear to cut.

we have a camera under deck upstairs trained out back..its mainly to watch wild animals..night vision also and you wouldnt beleive how many bear go by at night..there was even a rare brown bear..i this is something for everybody to think about..the 2 legged creatures dont escape the high def either. 4 years ago we caught neighbor boy tormenting our dog with a stick while we were at work....confronted the mom with the evidence..they wound up building a fence to keep him contained..he was really going after that dog throwing things at it poking it..he hasnt been back..the mom was a little disturbed at how brutal her kid was with the dog..he has issues...we found blood on the dog one time and couldnt figure out how he was hurting himself..then we reviewed the tapes..it was kind of shocking.....i would get one aimed at the driveway too....to read licence plates..you would have to have one tall ladder to get it down at our house

home again is a pet recovery service..im just learning about it..its like your laptop or tablet..if somone steals it..the numbers in pet recovery go to gps you take it to ploice..they call police in other state and say this pet is located at .....they go get it..

 

[AinaWGSD]

home again is a pet recovery service..im just learning about it..its like your laptop or tablet..if somone steals it..the numbers in pet recovery go to gps you take it to ploice..they call police in other state and say this pet is located at .....they go get it..

Not quite. If it is, it's a new service that isn't even listed on the Home Again website. Direct from the Home Again website:
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I'm not aware of any internal microchips currently available that have GPS capabilities, all of the GPS chips I'm aware of are external (like ear tags) and could be removed. However, a microchip is irrefutable proof that you own the animal if the animal is ever found. No one can claim that it's their bird that just has an uncanny resemblance to the bird that was stolen from you. Unlike bands the microchip can never be removed. And unlike toe punches, there's no way that another bird could have identical permanent identification markings. For most chicken owners it's not really practical, but when you have imported stock worth a large sum of money it may be worth the investment. The other problem with microchips is that you have to register them and keep your information up to date, otherwise they are not any more useful than a collar with no ID markings. I work at a vet clinic and it is very frustrating when someone brings us a stray who has a microchip, but there's no contact information for the owner so there's no way to get the pet home because we can't find home. The microchip companies will keep a record of every chip and who that chip was sold to. Most vets keep contact information of pet owners who have purchased the chips, but if you don't keep your contact information up to date no one will be able to get in touch with you if your pet is found and the chip is scanned. In my experience, most shelters don't keep records of who adopts the pets that they microchip.

 

[galanie]

Not quite.  If it is, it's a new service that isn't even listed on the Home Again website.  Direct from the Home Again website:


I'm not aware of any internal microchips currently available that have GPS capabilities, all of the GPS chips I'm aware of are external (like ear tags) and could be removed.  However, a microchip is irrefutable proof that you own the animal if the animal is ever found.  No one can claim that it's their bird that just has an uncanny resemblance to the bird that was stolen from you.  Unlike bands the microchip can never be removed.  And unlike toe punches, there's no way that another bird could have identical permanent identification markings.  For most chicken owners it's not really practical, but when you have imported stock worth a large sum of money it may be worth the investment.  The other problem with microchips is that you have to register them and keep your information up to date, otherwise they are not any more useful than a collar with no ID markings.  I work at a vet clinic and it is very frustrating when someone brings us a stray who has a microchip, but there's no contact information for the owner so there's no way to get the pet home because we can't find home.  The microchip companies will keep a record of every chip and who that chip was sold to.  Most vets keep contact information of pet owners who have purchased the chips, but if you don't keep your contact information up to date no one will be able to get in touch with you if your pet is found and the chip is scanned.  In my experience, most shelters don't keep records of who adopts the pets that they microchip.

IF shelters don't keep track of who adopts the pets they microchip, then why even do it? I realize that a vet's office should keep this info but if the vet didn't implant the thing, do they? The shelter I got my dog from indeed does. But maybe they are the odd ones that do? No idea. How silly that one would not. Now for the reason a microchip in a chicken isn't feasable: Who takes a chicken somewhere to be scanned? .

Though the sign suggested would indeed deter someone who didn't know the details. Not everyone knows about the capabilities of implanted chips in animals. Might just work.

 

[aveca]

like i said, im just learning about it.....reason...years ago there was a rash of horse theft , horses headed to canada for horse meat..the borders too tight now...but i was interested in it..so JUST started reading about it..have the home again brochure right in my hand. they have an impressive record of reuniting pets with owners. thou i doubt any chickens stolen would ever see a vet ..problem solving 101.. there are no honest horse ( or chicken) thevies...its just a darned rotten thing to do to somebody..wasnt wanting to start a debate..just trying to help a freind and console myself about a dark world..

Not quite. If it is, it's a new service that isn't even listed on the Home Again website. Direct from the Home Again website:

I'm not aware of any internal microchips currently available that have GPS capabilities, all of the GPS chips I'm aware of are external (like ear tags) and could be removed. However, a microchip is irrefutable proof that you own the animal if the animal is ever found. No one can claim that it's their bird that just has an uncanny resemblance to the bird that was stolen from you. Unlike bands the microchip can never be removed. And unlike toe punches, there's no way that another bird could have identical permanent identification markings. For most chicken owners it's not really practical, but when you have imported stock worth a large sum of money it may be worth the investment. The other problem with microchips is that you have to register them and keep your information up to date, otherwise they are not any more useful than a collar with no ID markings. I work at a vet clinic and it is very frustrating when someone brings us a stray who has a microchip, but there's no contact information for the owner so there's no way to get the pet home because we can't find home. The microchip companies will keep a record of every chip and who that chip was sold to. Most vets keep contact information of pet owners who have purchased the chips, but if you don't keep your contact information up to date no one will be able to get in touch with you if your pet is found and the chip is scanned. In my experience, most shelters don't keep records of who adopts the pets that they microchip.

 

[AinaWGSD]

All of the microchips have some sort of associated pet registry, but it is up to the owner to send their contact information to that registry to have their pet registered and to contact the registry to change their information when they move or get a new phone number. Some shelters do have contact information of people who adopt pets from them, others do not. Even vets aren't required to keep records on file for more than about 5-7 years after the last transaction depending on local laws. But again, if the owner doesn't update their contact information when they move, then the shelter has no way of contacting them either. We had one stray cat that was microchipped and when we scanned and called the company it was implanted by a shelter in New Mexico (I live in IL) over 5 years earlier. That particular shelter only kept the records of adoptions for about 4 years, so they had no record of who the cat was adopted out to. Even if they did, it would have most likely been information that was no longer valid. The cat clearly didn't walk to IL all the way from NM by itself, so most likely either the owner had moved or given the cat to someone else (who then moved). As for why do it in the first place if they're not going to keep records? Who knows for sure? In IL it's actually a state law that all shelters and rescues have to microchip animals before adopting them out, so maybe this is a law that is common in other areas as well?

As for microchips in valuable poultry being feasible...you're right, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would take a chicken to the vet to have it scanned for a microchip, least of all the thieves themselves. Even the avian vet I've worked for didn't bother to scan the one stray chicken I remember having seen brought in. It's equally unlikely that if a chicken ended up in a shelter (which actually does happen these days) the shelter would think to scan for a chip. However, if you were to find your stolen bird and call the police, they could call the animal control officer to come with a scanner to prove that the bird is, in fact, yours. It completely eliminates any question of rightful legal ownership and a "he said, she said" debate over who really owns the animal. I agree, it's really not worth it for most poultry and for most flock owners. And it's certainly not nearly as effective a deterrent as posting that the property is under video surveillance, an alarm system, good sturdy locks, hotwire, or a good LGD. But if you've spent several hundred dollars per bird on a rare breed or species, it might be worth it for some people.

I'm also not trying to argue anything or start a debate, but I do know that there are a lot of people who do think that microchips can be used like a GPS tracking device. I just wanted to share what I do know about microchips to clear up some common misconceptions. I'm sure anyone considering microchipping would come across this same information eventually while researching it. They are a wonderful tool for helping lost pets find their way home, identifying individual animals (which is why most zoos use them, more for identification and record keeping purposes than in the event that the animal is lost or stolen), and proving ownership beyond a shadow of a doubt. But they do have their limitations.

 

[aveca]

im hoping over the next several years they make it like your nook..if somone steals it, you get on another computer, track it, take it to police..they call the police at the nook location..go get your nook..its called something like ..find my nook....amazon and other cos have made it nearly impossible to steal these things..they lock ...It is kind of like this with some microchip..i have a dog collar with a chip in it..and yes you can go online and track the collar..we tried it..you have to register and put all info in ..a collar can be taken off thou..so they switched to chips..i think they will evolve fast like everything else..i dont especially like the idea..but i like the idea of KROOKS even less.. let me say that again..CROOKS.i guess in the end it might give some of these owners a little peace of mind or do you have to lock everything up at a show just so you can go out to lunch..or even at home.

All of the microchips have some sort of associated pet registry, but it is up to the owner to send their contact information to that registry to have their pet registered and to contact the registry to change their information when they move or get a new phone number. Some shelters do have contact information of people who adopt pets from them, others do not. Even vets aren't required to keep records on file for more than about 5-7 years after the last transaction depending on local laws. But again, if the owner doesn't update their contact information when they move, then the shelter has no way of contacting them either. We had one stray cat that was microchipped and when we scanned and called the company it was implanted by a shelter in New Mexico (I live in IL) over 5 years earlier. That particular shelter only kept the records of adoptions for about 4 years, so they had no record of who the cat was adopted out to. Even if they did, it would have most likely been information that was no longer valid. The cat clearly didn't walk to IL all the way from NM by itself, so most likely either the owner had moved or given the cat to someone else (who then moved). As for why do it in the first place if they're not going to keep records? Who knows for sure? In IL it's actually a state law that all shelters and rescues have to microchip animals before adopting them out, so maybe this is a law that is common in other areas as well?

As for microchips in valuable poultry being feasible...you're right, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would take a chicken to the vet to have it scanned for a microchip, least of all the thieves themselves. Even the avian vet I've worked for didn't bother to scan the one stray chicken I remember having seen brought in. It's equally unlikely that if a chicken ended up in a shelter (which actually does happen these days) the shelter would think to scan for a chip. However, if you were to find your stolen bird and call the police, they could call the animal control officer to come with a scanner to prove that the bird is, in fact, yours. It completely eliminates any question of rightful legal ownership and a "he said, she said" debate over who really owns the animal. I agree, it's really not worth it for most poultry and for most flock owners. And it's certainly not nearly as effective a deterrent as posting that the property is under video surveillance, an alarm system, good sturdy locks, hotwire, or a good LGD. But if you've spent several hundred dollars per bird on a rare breed or species, it might be worth it for some people.

I'm also not trying to argue anything or start a debate, but I do know that there are a lot of people who do think that microchips can be used like a GPS tracking device. I just wanted to share what I do know about microchips to clear up some common misconceptions. I'm sure anyone considering microchipping would come across this same information eventually while researching it. They are a wonderful tool for helping lost pets find their way home, identifying individual animals (which is why most zoos use them, more for identification and record keeping purposes than in the event that the animal is lost or stolen), and proving ownership beyond a shadow of a doubt. But they do have their limitations.

 

[Codyneal11]

Sorry no pics. Just got my buff home with few young hens was told they weren't ready to bread but saw him mate a hen. Does this mean he is ready to fertilize eggs? And does it mean my hen is ready to lay?