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Quote: Cool! Thanks wing. We are going to wait until next year, we don't have the space and DH cant do much for a while, so everything is on hold : ( plus depending on what we have and if we follow through with breeding or not may be the deciding space factor.
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Do I need a covered run for Meaties? I am so used to heavy non flying birds????

You all would probably laugh if you saw my grow out pen.
Will have to post a photo soon.
I have used it twice now and so far so good.
I set up a wire dog exercise pen (with the movable panels) so it can
be made into just about any shape. I secure it to the ground with garden staples.
I position mine so that I can place two "card playing" tables over the top for
security from hawks and owls. I cover the top and two sides with tarp for wind,
rain and sun (I live in Phoenix) protection. The meaties just waddle around
like ducks in there (sorry ducks, no offense). It's not the most secure. But, so
far so good. Then it gets put away till the next time it's needed. They move to
their permanent home or in this case into the freezer.
 
We processed a few of the meaties on Sunday, we picked 4 who were either very large already or seemed lethargic and were cause for concern for Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) We isolated them early in the morning in a crate covered with a sheet and placed out of the sun and away from the coop area so it was quiet.
We had all of our equipment gathered and used a couple of coolers to prewash and chill the birds in. As Sally said, prewashing the birds in warm, soapy water with bleach added sure makes for a cleaner process over all. So once the birds were bled out they went from the cones to the prewash cooler.
Birds resting in the crate....


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We used an outdoor fryer with a black canning kettle for the scald water, it is very touchy for controlling the temps though, so you have to keep it very low and use a thermometer to get an accurate temp. 150 worked for us. The cooler with the warm, soapy water is seen here to the left.
Our cone stand, we also use a nail into a tree to hang the cone on if we are only doing one or two rooster culls... The birds can bleed into the black tub but for the initial cut we hold a coffee can under their head until any muscle contractions are done, Our stand holds 8 cones, but we only use 2 or 4 at a time usually, especially since it is just the two of us doing the processing.

Tub plucker with hose attached. Works great for processing multiple birds, but hand plucking works fine if you aren't doing a large number of birds or you have a few helpers. This falls under the 'convenience' list rather than a necessity list. Can be rough on the birds if you aren't doing 2 or 3 at a time, it seems to work best that way.

The kettle set up, needs to be a stable/flat area out of the wind for best control over temps.

a couple of must haves for us.... very sharp knives and a nylon rope with a slip knot set up on either end for looping over the feet (another pic of the hobble set up below)


After dispatching in the cone, the bird is taken direct to the prewash...

A close up of what I call my 'hobbles'... this allows you to firmly keep control of the bird and be able to swish it around in the pre wash and then the scald water without having to get your hands near the water. It also provides a good way to carry the bird from cone to wash to scald to plucker, etc. Their legs can be slippery and it is worse when your hands are wet or tired. They hobble I made is one piece, so you can hang the bird from it simply by hooking the rope over something and we used it to weigh the birds before and after processing.

A squirt of soap in the scald water and a few swishes was all it took. I overdid the first one and it caused the skin to tear. Submerge and swish a couple of seconds and then check to see if the wing feather pulls out. When a wing feather pulls out without problem then you are ready for plucking. Also, if you have any unusually large birds leave them till last so you don't overflow the water and end up having to reheat fresh water to bring it back to being deep enough for the other birds (you can just remove a few cups of water to lower the level so it doesn't over flow with the large birds) . It only took a few minutes with this set up to heat the water, but it would still be a pain to have to stop the process because the pan over flowed.

Toss them in the plucker and let it do it's job...

The majority of the feathers flush out into a pile for clean up later.


Here is the big fellow processed. He was 10 lb 2 oz live weight, and dressed out at 7 lb. We use a fish fillet table to cut up the birds, we place a 5 gallon bucket lined with a garbage bag under the hole in the table for handy disposal of parts while we are working. and have the hose there for quick rinsing of bird and table.



The birds are currently resting in our spare fridge, will package probably tonight. The big one we will bake like a turkey on Thursday probably.

As a reference, most of the birds were between 7 lb and 7 lb 8 oz pre process weight. After process they were in the range of 4 lb 12 oz and 5 lb 2 oz. Very nice birds for only 6 1/2 wks old.
 
Fisherlady, they look great, and I love your setup!

Looks like we'll finally get sunny weather tomorrow after close to two weeks of rain and drear, and I'm hoping to get started processing mine. They have well and truly reached the epic poo stage. I'm moving the tractor twice daily, think I really should move it even more often.

Edit to give Fisherlady her due title. :lau
 
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We processed a few of the meaties on Sunday, we picked 4 who were either very large already or seemed lethargic and were cause for concern for Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) We isolated them early in the morning in a crate covered with a sheet and placed out of the sun and away from the coop area so it was quiet.
We had all of our equipment gathered and used a couple of coolers to prewash and chill the birds in. As Sally said, prewashing the birds in warm, soapy water with bleach added sure makes for a cleaner process over all. So once the birds were bled out they went from the cones to the prewash cooler.
Birds resting in the crate....


700
We used an outdoor fryer with a black canning kettle for the scald water, it is very touchy for controlling the temps though, so you have to keep it very low and use a thermometer to get an accurate temp. 150 worked for us. The cooler with the warm, soapy water is seen here to the left.
Our cone stand, we also use a nail into a tree to hang the cone on if we are only doing one or two rooster culls... The birds can bleed into the black tub but for the initial cut we hold a coffee can under their head until any muscle contractions are done, Our stand holds 8 cones, but we only use 2 or 4 at a time usually, especially since it is just the two of us doing the processing.

Tub plucker with hose attached. Works great for processing multiple birds, but hand plucking works fine if you aren't doing a large number of birds or you have a few helpers. This falls under the 'convenience' list rather than a necessity list. Can be rough on the birds if you aren't doing 2 or 3 at a time, it seems to work best that way.

The kettle set up, needs to be a stable/flat area out of the wind for best control over temps.

a couple of must haves for us.... very sharp knives and a nylon rope with a slip knot set up on either end for looping over the feet (another pic of the hobble set up below)


After dispatching in the cone, the bird is taken direct to the prewash...

A close up of what I call my 'hobbles'... this allows you to firmly keep control of the bird and be able to swish it around in the pre wash and then the scald water without having to get your hands near the water. It also provides a good way to carry the bird from cone to wash to scald to plucker, etc. Their legs can be slippery and it is worse when your hands are wet or tired. They hobble I made is one piece, so you can hang the bird from it simply by hooking the rope over something and we used it to weigh the birds before and after processing.

A squirt of soap in the scald water and a few swishes was all it took. I overdid the first one and it caused the skin to tear. Submerge and swish a couple of seconds and then check to see if the wing feather pulls out. When a wing feather pulls out without problem then you are ready for plucking. Also, if you have any unusually large birds leave them till last so you don't overflow the water and end up having to reheat fresh water to bring it back to being deep enough for the other birds (you can just remove a few cups of water to lower the level so it doesn't over flow with the large birds) . It only took a few minutes with this set up to heat the water, but it would still be a pain to have to stop the process because the pan over flowed.

Toss them in the plucker and let it do it's job...

The majority of the feathers flush out into a pile for clean up later.


Here is the big fellow processed. He was 10 lb 2 oz live weight, and dressed out at 7 lb. We use a fish fillet table to cut up the birds, we place a 5 gallon bucket lined with a garbage bag under the hole in the table for handy disposal of parts while we are working. and have the hose there for quick rinsing of bird and table.



The birds are currently resting in our spare fridge, will package probably tonight. The big one we will bake like a turkey on Thursday probably.

As a reference, most of the birds were between 7 lb and 7 lb 8 oz pre process weight. After process they were in the range of 4 lb 12 oz and 5 lb 2 oz. Very nice birds for only 6 1/2 wks old.
Just a few comments.... (yea right!)


I am so happy you took time for pics for us!! Thank you!!
These were what breed meaties again?
I can tell you physically looking at your bird compared to my brahma are that yours looks appetizing and "normal"
you may laugh but my birds had horrible long lean legs and the breast bone stuck up higher than the meaty breasts,
here in your image next to mine, you can see how large your breastesses are compared to mine! <bawahhhahhhahhaaaaa>
here is my yummy bird, but looks weird, yours is much tastier fer sure!






How far back do you cut out the neck?

Your wings I would even eat, our wings looked gross! as did our legs LOL

also why does your bird have so much skin? our skin was tight and nonexistent!
I did cut some but it like flew up and away when I cleaned the bird!
 
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Okay, someone talk to me about ducks.

I hatched out a bunch of Khaki Campbells over the weekend, because I want a quartet and I had seen that a lot of local people seemed to want them, also. I've sold a whole two. :thud Granted, I've only been running the CL ad for a few days, and I may yet still sell more, but I also need to prepare for the possibility that I will need to process most of these ducks - some ten of them. I have never eaten duck, much less processed one.

School me on all aspects of processing, cooking and eating duck, please? So I can start to get in the right frame of mind if need be?
 
Just a few comments.... (yea right!)


I am so happy you took time for pics for us!! Thank you!!
These were what breed meaties again?
I can tell you physically looking at your bird compared to my brahma are that yours looks appetizing and "normal"
you may laugh but my birds had horrible long lean legs and the breast bone stuck up higher than the meaty breasts,
here in your image next to mine, you can see how large your breastesses are compared to mine! <bawahhhahhhahhaaaaa>
here is my yummy bird, but looks weird, yours is much tastier fer sure!






How far back do you cut out the neck?

Your wings I would even eat, our wings looked gross! as did our legs LOL

also why does your bird have so much skin? our skin was tight and nonexistent!
I did cut some but it like flew up and away when I cleaned the bird!
Sally,

You're welcome for the pics... the more pics we all do of our methods the more info we can add to the pot to help folks figure out what will work for them!

Our meaties done here are Cornish Cross... which are purpose bred meat birds from the hatcheries, bred for generations to have heavy meat over a short frame. They are technically cross of Cornish and White rocks, but both parent breeds have seperately been selectively bred for weight and growth rates for many, many generations, then when they are crossed they provide these 'super meaties'. Great birds for 'feed to meat' convertion, but can be prone to CHF causing early death. They won't have flavor as rich as our heritage birds that we butcher at an older age though, but they will still be great tasting.

Your bird isn't 'weird' looking... to me it is a well balanced bird for what it is intended to be... a large boned and fast rooster who needed long legs for protection and fighting off threats. The breast meat on most birds is a waste of energy, most normal birds put their energy toward muscle production and feathering protection, etc... Since Cornish X have been bred for generations to be nothing but meaties they don't put their energies toward bone length growth or muscle growth, hence they appear fuller and rounder. The skin is loose due to their incredible growth rate also, but it is very, very soft and tears easily.

I cut out the neck as far back as I can comfortably reach with the knife, stand the bird up on it's butt on the table, bend the neck forward to the belly as sharply as you can, it should then be very tightly arched where it joins in the body cavity. With the tip of a very sharp knife you can push into the base of the neck and feel for a vertebrae, when you feel a bone, slide the tip of the knife at an angle toward the body and it should then land between two vertebrae and you can cut the ligaments to seperate the spine. Once you do that you can then just cut around the neck partway through and finish taking it off by bending the neck backward over the chickens back to reverse the arch and cut the rest of the way through from the bottom side.

Our wings and drumsticks on our culled roos were like you said, not enough meat to hardly bother with, so they went straight to the soup pot! The birds bred for meat alone have short bones and chubby legs and wings... see above paragragh. LOL
 
Okay, someone talk to me about ducks.

I hatched out a bunch of Khaki Campbells over the weekend, because I want a quartet and I had seen that a lot of local people seemed to want them, also. I've sold a whole two. :thud Granted, I've only been running the CL ad for a few days, and I may yet still sell more, but I also need to prepare for the possibility that I will need to process most of these ducks - some ten of them. I have never eaten duck, much less processed one.

School me on all aspects of processing, cooking and eating duck, please? So I can start to get in the right frame of mind if need be?
I've never processed a duck, but would love to sometime because I understand they taste great! I will look forward to seeing some info on processing them!
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