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Currently imagining the spiel trying to sell these.
"No ma'am they arent good layers"
"No, not meat birds either"
"Well you see, they perch better than any other breed on the market - they are master perchers, if you will
There is no perch they cannot handle"
Exactly :lol:

If a wild bird out in nature can't perch well and falls off the branch, it gets eaten by the fox, doesn't pass on its genes and that strain of bird dies off. If a domesticated chicken falls off the roost, it sleeps on the floor of its coop and walks around with a poopy butt the next day, but continues reproducing and propagating its genes if its humans like its other qualities better.
 
Yep, deep litter is a good system, too, and not that much more management, but it's still more than deep bedding. I haven't tried it myself. I work full time and have two young children, so I'm trying to cut down on any unnecessary additional labor with the chickens. Any time I have left for them I want to spend just hanging out with them, interacting and enjoying them :D


Deep bedding can be cleaned out once a year, too. To me, the difference between once or twice a year isn't that big, so I like to give them a fresh restart twice. The low heat isn't important to me. They sleep 4 feet off the ground and the minimal heat won't reach them, and during the day they don't spend any time in the coop, so they won't benefit from that heat. Plus, it doesn't get that cold where I live - occasional dip to the 20s or teens, never anywhere near 0, so the chickens don't need additional heat.

As for the compost, it doesn't matter whether I put it in the garden now as poop shavings and they compost over winter, or if they compost in the coop and I put them in the garden in the spring. It's the same amount of labor for me, just different times of the year. What does matter, however, is that if I clean the coop out in the spring and put everything in the garden, not all the poop will have composted evenly, and it will span months in age, with the freshest on top still being actual poop. That's not good to put in your garden, and there's no good way to separate fresh from old, since the chickens will have scratched it all together. What people usually do is after they take the deep litter out of the coop, they put it somewhere else to finish composting so it's safe to put in the garden. Maybe not for as long as the un-composted dry bedding, but it's still an additional step, and additional space, that adds more work to this method. It's not worth it for me.


You don't need a poop board with either method. For deep litter, you'd want the poop to fall down so it can get composted. You could try a poop board for deep bedding, and that can extend the time between full coop clean-outs, but those are already once or twice a year, rare enough where it won't make a big difference. But a poop board will add more daily/weekly work for you to scoop it. Which you might be fine with. Me, like I said, I want to cut down on any unnecessary labor, so I don't want a poop board. It's been working out great for me without one, so I'm happy.


I have thick branches for roosts, on 3 levels in a ladder-like fashion. The tallest one is 4 feet off the floor and 1 foot from the wall, the rest are spread somewhat evenly between the tall one and the floor in terms of vertical space, and horizontally they are about 1 foot from each other, to give the chickens room to maneuver. Some chickens can fly 4 feet up and don't need intermediate branches, but I have heavy, lazy breeds that are poor flyers and they really appreciate the intermediate branches for getting up and down. Also, they like to spread out and hang out at the different levels of branches in the morning while waiting for the auto door to open.

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How did you attach the roosting branches to its support, possibly just with a wood screws?!
 
How did you attach the roosting branches to its support, possibly just with a wood screws?!
Yes, wood screws, but very long - 6 inches - so they’d go all the way through and a good depth into the supports.
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I think I have inadvertently been doing a deep litter (or deep bedding, I'm not sure on the details) system out of laziness. Throwing in more pine straw on top of the old pine straw as needed, and my chickens scratch around a ton to mix everything up. Mostly the pine straw accumulates at the low point in the back of the pen and I added fresh to the whole thing when the medium points are bare (the high points refuse to stay covered, period). I cleaned it out in March (yknow, when we thought we were stir crazy) and just now (mostly now because I didnt realize it was a legit method and thought it was just dirty).

As far as helping the top poop compost more, in March I threw it outside the coop onto some dirt and let it get rained on for a few months and then took that to my garden. Technically more work because of shoveling and dumping twice instead of once, but definitely less work that any proper compositing system.
 
That’s true. But there are some studies to suggest that too wide roosts (2x4 side side up) is not the optimal size.
https://www.yourchickens.co.uk/care-and-advice/the-perfect-perch-1-2842822
That is not a study but a person's opinion citing studies they came across. Also it depends on the birds. I have large fowl. Maybe not as good for bantams. Everyone is different with different situations and opinions. I agree that you can probably find a study to support each opinion, and the rest is probably just a matter of personal preference. Most of my roosts are 2x4's (and a few 2x3's) wide side up which work fine for me and my birds. They are easier for the birds to walk on to find their space. This is one of my coops. The roost edges are slightly rounded.
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Hi, one hour away neighbor!
Tell me little bit about your chickens/coop.
I am just in the planning stage, plan to build one coop for 10 chickens in the spring.

This thread seems to have evolved into a pros and cons of more than just roosts. But I will go back on topic and mention that in my main coop, I have the 2x4s wide side up. No particular reason, except that like many people, when I was new I read that that’s how they were supposed to be, so I did it that way. If I was smart, I should turn them all narrow side up so that I would have less poop to scrape off of their surface.

I do have some coops that have no roosts at all! :oops:
The chickens in there don’t seem to mind because that’s all they’ve ever known. Those coops are elevated, though, so the birds still get to go “up” to sleep at night.
 

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