puppy chicken killer

[Chickens in Elmwood]

Okay, I'm completely new here, so listen or not.

We have a ferocious, killer cat. She kills possums, skunks, and all manner of small yardlife (lizards, frogs, moles, and, unfortunately, sometimes song birds)

When we got our day old chicks, she thought, "Oh, free lunch!" We never, ever let her have any contact with the chicks, other than looking at them through the fencing. Every time she swished her tail or licked her lips, we'd say, "NO, Lucy, those are our chickens, not yours." Now that the chickens are 14 weeks old, she pretty much leaves them alone. I would think that if a cat can be trained not to bother the chickens, a dog might be able to be trained, too. I mean, cats are pretty much untrainable.

I am sorry for the chickens you lost. That's very sad. It will be sad for the dog, too, if he can't stay.

 

[Brindlebtch]

I have a dog that totally understands cages. If something she wants is in a cage she will ignore it. If sh ever catches it out of the cage....watch out!

Cats are actually smarter that dogs, just not as cooperative.

 

[Jamie_Dog_Trainer]

Thats too bad you are having these issues, unfortunately your problems are not isolated. Most of the issue comes from the old wives tales that young animals "growing up" together are bound to get along. Obviously you have found that its not true.

The idea of the shock collar is a good one IF your dog is old enough. Also, shock collar training won't do much as far as long term learning for the dog unless you have some foundation in other training...there are exceptions to this but they are with professional dog trainers. Shock collars can do as much damage as good and can be used abusively very easily, even before you realize whats going on.

Personally, I would not and will never, use an electronic collar on any dog under five months of age.

Here are some tips for you:

1. dogs and chickens should never be left alone together, ever
2. get your dog a kennel, even if you want him to roam free most of the time. a kennel will take care of those times when you can be supervising
3. Start right away teaching your dogs obedience, a little bit of consistency goes a long way
4. if in doubt see number 1

 

[PeepsInc]

Alot of folks may not like this,but You have to take the dead bird and cram it in his face so he cant see you,then kick the crap out of him. He'll relate having a bird in his face to getting the crap knocked out of him. Or,an old trick that works with deer chasing dogs is to put the dog in a barrel with what ever you dont want him killing(deer skin,dead chicken) add a couple of rocks,and send him down a small hill. Both ways the idea is to make the dog realize that animal is kicking his butt. There is no other way other than a shock collar and constant attention. The other way only takes a few moments. My dad raised champion coon hounds. If a dog was spotted chasing deer it was legal to shoot it,so this training was pertinent.

 

[jessejames]

well thanks for the replies i guess it seems people really infer meaning around here or just dont read all the words in front of them i find it a bit disturbing that when i add a small side note not relating how i am dealing with the problem but something i heard that was a bit funny and everyone just reads the offending passage/s and assumes
i have had many well trained dogs and also would never have thought of using something like a shock collar in the past now i have a situation that might call for it
shocking the dog would not be to punish it (i dont BLAME dog its just its nature) but bottom line a well trained dog is a happy dog and a dog that is continually doing something its owner doesnt want is going to find life pretty nonsense esspecially beacause chances are it doesnt know what you are mad about
my concerns were of a nature vs nurture issue mostly i was wondering if there were tried and tested ways to keep a dog from killing chickens in particular
i know that you will never get a dog to anything outside of it impulses without alot of work
dont get me wrong i appreciate all the advice id just prefer not being spoken to as if i am an imbicile
im not giving up on "jack" yet and i wont be beating him to try to change his behavior though as much as i have maligned them in the past this does seem like a time that a shock collar may be the ticket seeeing as the object is to be able to leave them alone together it easy enough for me to keep an eye on things when i am around
oh well till i can trust the little bugger again hes comin to work with me much to the distress of my good old girl whom is usally my workmate
i hope i havent offended anyone it just really bothered me that the responses towards me seemed very negative and superior neither of which were warranted especially if people had read my postings thoroughly
again thanks alot you really are alot of help
and i am glad to see people in arm about mistreating animals
till next time
as always
jessejames

 

[kcfuerst]

It just so happens I have a brand new training collar I'm willing to sell as I recently lost my shepard, if you are interested. It works amazingly well. It is an Innotek Free Spirit Advanced Digital Trainer for up to 300 yards. Model ADV-300P. $140 new, asking $100. Complete with video and warranty.

It worked with my dog, I know it can with yours.

 

[AHappychick]

did not read the whole thread but I heard if you tie the dead chicken around its neck for a few weeks while it rots they will never kill them again. Pretty gross but some swear that it works.

 

[jjthink]

Love my chickies!! :

Quote:
So well said, I thought I'd say it again.

And again

Ah, Jesse, you seem like such a nice person and a caring one, and I am really sorry about these sad occurrences. As you know now, but as some may not yet have learned, one simply should not leave a dog alone with birds when the safety of the birds is not certain - indeed in this case the dog was known to have killed 3 birds already so it seems clear that the safety of the remaining birds would be in question.. It's a nightmare for birds to be left alone with a known predator, defenseless.

You certainly did not mean for your birds to get killed, nor do all the other posters with similar horror stories. In fact, you really seem to feel badly about all of this and I do too. But everytime I read this same refrain on BYC I age another 10 years, and I've read enough of these horror stories to now be the oldest person alive. I think I am again today feeling the need to speak on behalf of our feathered friends, who cannot speak on behalf of themselves. Our birds count on us to protect them - they count on us to think. Once we bring them into our care, it is incumbent upon us to do that.

I think you get it and agree, and that you'll never let something like this happen again. My hope in writing in your thread is that folks who might have also innocently followed in your footsteps will read your thread first and remember these stark words. Hopefully then the loss of your birds will prevent the loss of others.
JJ

PeepsInc, I am at a loss for words.​

 

[jessejames]

knowing his past history i wsnt leaving him alone with the birds the little bugger escaped out of my workshop while i was running some errands in town
i wont be leavin him any oppertunities in the future

 

[2boxers]

JesseJames...if some one advises you to hit your dog, thank them for the advice, but don't take their advice. I'm not going to say I've never hit or kicked my dogs.

Peeps...I'm speechless which for a ten year veteran of radio is quite a feat.