Quail with crop infection

[casportpony]

Has anyone used Ivomec Eprinex pour on for treating Capillaria worms in Quail? I was planning on using 1/8 ML. 1 bird has been under Vet care for a week. Treated with antibiotics for crop infection. Culture found large amount of this worm plus cecal worms. Going to treat the entire covey. Should ill bird be given half the dose?

Thank you!

How much do quail weigh? I think the most you would want to use is 1 mg/kg, which is 0.02 ml per 100 grams, or 0.09 ml per *pound*. I have lots of posts and stufies that show it's pretty much an ineffective poultry wormer. If you want, I will find them for you.

 

[casportpony]

My worry is that it will be hard to measure out 1/8 ML.

If you are treating them all, I suggest something like Wormout Gel in their water.

http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/medications/worms-wormers/76-vetafarms-wormout-gel-1000ml-cc

Starve them of water overnight the night before, provide it, refresh it for a few days.

Ohh, and dont be scared off by the price on that listing. It is for the 1,000 cc size. Change the quantity to 100ml-cc so it is only about 20 bucks.

Accoring to VetFarm's website, the Wormout Gel dose is 47 ml per gallon for 2 days in a row.

 

[Exoticwings]

Many people have there own conclusion about ivormec. All I can tell you is what I have done for over 20 years. I have great results and my birds are worm free. That's why I do it every 6 months. Wish you all very good luck and if I can help anyone. In any way I can. I'm more than happy to do so. Sal

 

[casportpony]

I have great results and my birds are worm free

How do you know they are worm free?

 

[Exoticwings]

Different birds have been tested

 

[casportpony]

Different birds have been tested

Did any of those birds test positive for *capillary* or *cecal* worms before treatment, then negative after treatment?

 

[casportpony]

Here are two of the studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2816174
Ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic--trials with naturally infected domestic fowl.
Oksanen A, Nikander S.
Abstract
To evaluate the use of ivermectin as a bird anthelmintic, 29 White Leghorn hens naturally infected with Ascaridia spp., Heterakis spp. and Capillaria spp. were treated with 0.2, 2 or 6 mg/kg intramuscularly or 0.2 or 0.8 mg/kg orally. Faecal samples were collected before treatment and at autopsy, 2, 6, or 16 days after treatment, when the intestines were also examined for helminths. None of the treatments gave satisfactory anthelmintic results.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9269125
Anthelmintic efficacy of ivermectin against Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. in pheasant.
Lamka J1, Svobodová V, Slézková J.
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Abstract
Ivermectin (IVM) was perorally administered in dosage schemes 1 x 0.8 mg/kg of body weight (b.w.), 1 x 1.6 mg/kg h.w., 3 x 0.8 mg/kg b.w., and 3 x 1.6 mg/kg b.w. to pheasants infected by Syngamus trachea and Capillaria spp. The samples of faeces were coprologically examined. The clinical state of pheasant was controlled. In all of the used therapeutical schemes the helminthostatic or partially helminthocide effect against adults of worms was reached. The clinical signs of helmithoses were reduced only. IVM in tested doses is not possible to recommend as an effective drug of pheasant syngamosis and capillariosis.

 

[paneubert]

Accoring to VetFarm's website, the Wormout Gel dose is 47 ml per gallon for 2 days in a row.

I always appreciate your conversions since they never make it as easy on the packaging. I think mine said "2 ml to 160 ml of water". Which converts to 47 ml per gallon when you do a few steps of math. I suppose they do their weird micro dosage instructions since it is more directed at exotic/parrots/tiny birds that aren't going to have a gallon (or larger) waterer.

Personally I do a gallon and only distribute half a gallon per day. But I am dealing with quail that can handle only having half a gallon to work with. I assume refrigerating it and shaking well on day 2 is ok for potency. Next time around I might just mix half a gallon per day. When I worm, it is preventative and not based on any positive fecal float. I just do it for peace of mind just in case.

 

[casportpony]

I always appreciate your conversions since they never make it as easy on the packaging. I think mine said "2 ml to 160 ml of water". Which converts to 47 ml per gallon when you do a few steps of math. I suppose they do their weird micro dosage instructions since it is more directed at exotic/parrots/tiny birds that aren't going to have a gallon (or larger) waterer.

Yeah, that's what I did. It can also be given orally without diluting it, and I think that dose is 10 mg/kg, Their product is 20 mg/kg for both ingredients, and I think the dose is 10 mg/kg for either drug.

Grams - 0.1 x 10 /20 = 0.05 ml per 100 grams orally
Pounds - 1 / 2.2 x 10 / 20 = 0.23 ml per pound orally

Double check my math.

 

[JaeG]

Just remember the Wormout Gel is not intended to be used on birds you are going to be eating. The egg with holding period is 10 days when used on poultry. My aviary birds hate the taste and it's pretty freaky reading the safety directions, telling you to avoid skin contact - and I'm thinking "I'm giving this stuff to my teeny finches?!" But it's certainly better than losing birds to worms.

I have the pump bottle version which measures it out for you - 2 pumps per 2/3 cup water. It does take a bit of mixing to dissolve it into the water.