Quail won't open eyes

[amaurer]

Brooder was brand new - 25 gallon rubbermaid type thing.

Chicks were hatched from eggs.

I read the link - it has no trouble breathing, which seems to be the primary symptom for M gallisepticum...? In fact it seems totally healthy, except for the fact that he stands around stupidly since it can't see.

 

[millebantam]

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I understand your frustration, and this chicks health is a serious matter, but the phrase "stands around stupidly" almost made me piss myself. For a second there, I had this visual of the little dude standin' there holdin' a teeny white cane and wearin' Stevie Wonder shades.

 

[JJMR794]

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DIFFICULTY BREATHING IS FINAL STAGES... THE FACIAL SWELLING IS CLASSIC AND AN EARLY SIGN. ITS NOT OVERLY COMMON TO GET ENUTERO TRANSFER BUT CERTAINLY POSSIBLE. THIS LINK SHOWS IT BETTER IN AN ADULT COTURNIX https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=250361

 

[amaurer]

Hmm, ok. I'm not sure there is any swelling like on that coturnix, but can't be sure.

So whats the preferred strategy? There were a couple good options in that thread, any favorites?

 

[MobyQuail]

looks like the eyes did not develop properly.
did you have any issues with your incubator temps?
no nasal discharge to help indicate repiratory issues. imho...

 

[JJMR794]

ISSOLATE AND WAIT. ADHERE TO STRICT BIOSECURITY IN AN EFFORT TO PREVENT ANYONE ELSE CATCHING IT IF THEY HAVENT ALREADY? TREATMENT FOR M GAL.. IS PRETTY MUCH IN VAIN FOR GAMEBIRDS, UNFORTUNATELY THEY DONT RESPOND WELL TO MOST ANTIBIOTICS. TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PRICE AND WORK INVOLVED VS THE VALUE OF THE ANIMAL WHO IF SAVED WILL BECOME A CARRIER OF THE ILLNESS AND CANNOT BE HOUSED WITH OR BRED TO OTHERS OF ITS KIND, MOST BREEDERS PREFER TO CULL IMMEDIATELY AND PROPHYLACTICALLY TREAT THE REST OF THE FLOCK WHILE THEY HOLD THEIR BREATH AND HOPE

MAY NOT BE THIS EXACT ILLNESS, BUT YOUR BIRD DEFINATELY HAS SOMETHING INFECTIOUS GOING ON WITH ITS SINUSES... ALL ILLNESSES OF THAT NATURE I KNOW OF LEAD TO THE SAME PATH DESCRIBED ABOVE. THE SIGNS YOU SEE ON THIS LIL GUY ARE QUITE APPARENT, NO DOUBTS AS TO THEIR INDICATIONS. WHILE ITS HARD TO DECRIBE HERE ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THERE IS A NOTICEABLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRAUMATIC INJURY ( EDEMA CAUSED BY HEAD BUMPING OR TRAUMA CAUSED BY EYE PECKING, ETC..) AND PERIORBITAL EDEMA(SWELLING AROUND THE EYE ORBITS) FROM DISEASE/ ILLNESS. I CANT READILY PUT IT INTO WORDS, ITS JUST SOMETHING YOU LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE ON SIGHT AFTER LOTS OF EXPOSURE/ EXPERIENCE. ( THAT WAS WHY I REQUEST ADDITIONAL PIX...

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THE ONLY OTHER COMMON DISEASE THAT EFFECTS QUAIL SPECES IN THIS MANNER THAT I READILY KNOW OF IS AVIAN INFLUENZA THE SUB ACUTE STRAIN MAY CAUSE SINUSITIS (THE PERIORBITAL EDEMA)

 

[JJMR794]

If It Is M Gal... That Illness Is Caused By A Mycoplasma Type Of Organism... There Is No Treatment For That Illness( Drugs Do Not Affect These Organisms) And It's Normally Self Limiting... What Gets These Guys In The End Is Secondary Infections Such As Pnuemonias And What Not... Thats Why The Difficulty Breathing Is A Late Sign--- Its Caused By The Secondary Infections. Any Treatment Plan For These Guys Is Directed At Treatment Of The Would-be Lethal Secondary Infections With Antibiotics Of The Proper Type, The Mycoplasma Illness Runs Its Course And Leaves To The Next Victim After Seroconverting (making The Survivor A Carrier Of This Illness) The Infected. Hope That Helps Clear It Up A Bit For Folks. This Carrier Effect Is What Makes Keeping Mixed Poultry And Gamebirds So Dicey - Because Many Other Types Of Poultry Such As Chickens Would Tolerate The Illness Well And Survive, But Become Carriers And Pass It On To Their Roomates Who Arent Immune. Or The Parents Survive And Pass It Enutero To The Offspring (which Could Be A Likely Case Here...)

 

[MobyQuail]

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I do defer to my betters on this one, JJ is right on target, if it is the BigNasty MG.

We dealt with respiratory (prolly MG) issues- way back when introducing new birds to our mongrel layer flock that had been there for 60+ years. They carried everything...

in my humble opinion, if it is MG, do the little gal a favor and dispatch her now, the suffering is not pretty and again, in my opinion, they never catch up from dealing with it.

I've played doctor for many months, but we put the good of the many before the few when it comes to the rest of our birds...

 

[amaurer]

I did not enjoy my first culling experience a few weeks ago. Lets not go there yet.

I don't know if it matters, but I will add this tid bit: this was a bird I helped hatch late - we called him Tiny Tim because he was late and small. His eyes were fine at hatch time, this appeared on its own in the last 4 days or so.

How far should I remove it from the other chicks? Just in another brooder or does it need to go into another room?

 

[Little_Bigfoot]

those eyes look reallly bad are there any pecking issues in your brooder?