Question about breeding sizzles and silkies....

[shhgirl]

I've been doing a lot of googling and I think I have it figured out, but want to make sure.

Do NOT breed a sizzle to a sizzle because it creates a frazzle who most likely won't survive.

But I can breed a sizzle to a smooth sizzle which would give me = 50% sizzle / 50% smooth sizzle....right?


Furthermore, can I breed a sizzle (smooth or not) to a silkie? Would that cause problems/water down the gene pool? Or would it give me a mix of 1/3 silkie, 1/3 smooth sizzle and 1/3 sizzle?

I have a handful of silkies, handful of smooth sizzles, and 1 female sizzle. Then I have one smooth rooster and one sizzle rooster. I'm trying to figure out which ones have to be separated.

And while I've got help here, both my roosters are cuckoo. I have white and black hens. What colors will the babies be?

 

[ramirezframing]

no sizzle to sizzle. you can do smooth to sizzle or sizzle to silkie

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I've been doing a lot of googling and I think I have it figured out, but want to make sure.

Do NOT breed a sizzle to a sizzle because it creates a frazzle who most likely won't survive.

But I can breed a sizzle to a smooth sizzle which would give me = 50% sizzle / 50% smooth sizzle....right?


Furthermore, can I breed a sizzle (smooth or not) to a silkie? Would that cause problems/water down the gene pool? Or would it give me a mix of 1/3 silkie, 1/3 smooth sizzle and 1/3 sizzle?

I have a handful of silkies, handful of smooth sizzles, and 1 female sizzle. Then I have one smooth rooster and one sizzle rooster. I'm trying to figure out which ones have to be separated.

And while I've got help here, both my roosters are cuckoo. I have white and black hens. What colors will the babies be?

Your information on breeding frizzle to frizzle is incorrect. It will not cause them to die, but they can have easily broken feathers. There was a recent thread where this was explained quite thoroughly.

About half the birds from a frizzle X non-frizzle breeding will have frizzled feathers. Assuming that none of the birds carry the gene for silkie feathering (which is not necessarily correct), you will have half sizzle and half smooth sizzle. But if both parents carry a copy of h, the gene for silkied feathers, some of each group will have silkie feathers as well. Realize that percentages only hold up when you are hatching larger numbers of birds, the larger the number, the more accurate the percentages. You will not get percentages of thirds. Quarters, halves, eighths, sixteenths, etc, but not thirds.

Cuckoo is an incompletley dominant sex-linked gene. White could be hiding anything. With the blacks you will get all cuckoo chicks (that cannot be sexed as both boys and girls can only receive a copy from papa). If your hen was cuckoo, but not the boys, all the boys would be cuckoo, but none of hte girls, and if both parents were cuckoo, then all offspring would be cuckoo, and you could tell the difference between genders by the size of the head spot.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/393443/frizzle-thread/220

 

[shhgirl]

Your information on breeding frizzle to frizzle is incorrect. It will not cause them to die, but they can have easily broken feathers. There was a recent thread where this was explained quite thoroughly.

About half the birds from a frizzle X non-frizzle breeding will have frizzled feathers. Assuming that none of the birds carry the gene for silkie feathering (which is not necessarily correct), you will have half sizzle and half smooth sizzle. But if both parents carry a copy of h, the gene for silkied feathers, some of each group will have silkie feathers as well. Realize that percentages only hold up when you are hatching larger numbers of birds, the larger the number, the more accurate the percentages. You will not get percentages of thirds. Quarters, halves, eighths, sixteenths, etc, but not thirds.

Cuckoo is an incompletley dominant sex-linked gene. White could be hiding anything. With the blacks you will get all cuckoo chicks (that cannot be sexed as both boys and girls can only receive a copy from papa). If your hen was cuckoo, but not the boys, all the boys would be cuckoo, but none of hte girls, and if both parents were cuckoo, then all offspring would be cuckoo, and you could tell the difference between genders by the size of the head spot.

oooh ok. Yeah, after further reading (actually, I think the link you linked me) I read that breeding a silkie x frizzle would = smooh sizzle, curly sizzle, frizzled and silkie.

WHAT is the difference between frizzled and curly? And when you say silkie feathered sizzle...? I'm lost. haha. Wouldn't a silkie feathered sizzle be...a silkie?

So if I wanted both silkies and sizzles, my best bet would be to have a smooth sizzle rooster (because I only need one or two roosters vs 8-10 hens...which I want more curly sizzles!) sizzled hens and a handful of silkies (one being a male?) That way they can all breed together and not create anything odd or ugly and as they have chicks, I would just get rid of the smoothes...right? And then, if I wanted a pure silkie, I could just pen the rooster and few silkies together and leave the smooth sizzle with his women...is this all correct?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

A bird can have both silkied AND frizzled feathers (frizzled silkie)
or silkied AND not-frizzled (silkie)
or not-silkied AND frizzled (sizzle)
or not-silkied AND not-frizzled (smooth sizzle)

I would not say "silkie feathered sizzle" (the correct term would be frizzled silkie)

For a bird to have silkied feathers, it must inherit the gene from both parents, not just one, so the only way you will get silkie feathered birds (regardless of frizzling) from a sizzle to silkie breeding is if the sizzle carries the gene for silkie feathering.

A curley has two copies of the gene for frizzle.

 

[shhgirl]

A bird can have both silkied AND frizzled feathers (frizzled silkie)
or silkied AND not-frizzled (silkie)
or not-silkied AND frizzled (sizzle)
or not-silkied AND not-frizzled (smooth sizzle)

I would not say "silkie feathered sizzle" (the correct term would be frizzled silkie)

For a bird to have silkied feathers, it must inherit the gene from both parents, not just one, so the only way you will get silkie feathered birds (regardless of frizzling) from a sizzle to silkie breeding is if the sizzle carries the gene for silkie feathering.

A curley has two copies of the gene for frizzle.

okay. I'm still having a hard time figuring out the difference between frizzled silkie and sizzle feathers. I keep picturing the same thing. would it be too much of a burdon to ask to see a picture of what you mean?