Question about Roosters

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We have on accident gotten a rooster. I knew it was a chance as they can't be 100% saying they are all pullets. It's on of my Sicilian Buttercups, so I think he will be beautiful. The reason we started looking into getting chickens (This is our first chickens, if it's not obvious) was that our 6 year old is in Clover Kids (4-H) and can take chickens to the fair. My husband was in 4-H and their family was known for showing Dairy Cattle, but we live in town, so we obviously can't have cattle in the backyard. LOL. We decided to get chickens and my son and I are absolutely loving them. Even my 4 year old shows interest. :-) Anyway....my 6 year old has decided his favorite chicken is the rooster because he is a boy like him. He handles him the most and wants to take him to fair. Does handling him a lot give us any more of a shot of him being a friendly rooster? I really want to try to avoid having to get rid of him if I can help it, but if he is mean, he'll most likely have to go. He's already pecking at some of the girls tail feathers, is that normal, too? They don't really seem to act like it bothers them and it's just the tips.

Thanks for your help and advice!
 
Handling the rooster so much may or may not prevent him from becoming aggressive. Some people say that "tame" roosters can be the most aggressive to their caretakers, since they consider themselves dominant, but that has not been my experience. The roosters that I handle a lot usually turn out to be sweet little boys. I have found, though, that there is a period of time (usually 3-5 months of age) that roosters get a little more assertive. My roosters at that age start attacking my legs, and tend to be more rough with hens. Then they "grow up" at around 6 months, and are perfect gentlemen to me and the hens. However, not all go through that stage, and your rooster may not.

The pecking the pullets' tail feathers is pretty normal for any chicken, male or female. Some just do it more than others.

Good luck with your rooster, and good luck to your son if he shows at the fair! Showing chickens, through 4-H or otherwise, is a very enjoyable, educational experience.
 
If you keep the roo around, get your son a pair of safety glasses to wear while he goes into the pen to handle him.

A rooster can turn on a dime with no warning and seriously injure a child.

Wonders what the 4h organization recommends for this situation?
 
Be aware, and give constant supervision. The six year old, is probably getting a bit taller, and with training, can be taught to be aware of all the chickens, and their behaviors. The four year old is still a bit young, and probably shorter.

Roosters are hard to guess, sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't...... the thing of it is, you need to talk to your son now, about roosters. And then be firm, if he gets mean, do not put up with it, get rid of him.

Mrs K
 
Thank you for the advice. I gave the 6 year old a talk about the rooster and he cried. :-( He's so attached to that rooster. I told him that it was just a possibility and that if all went well we could keep him, I just wanted him to be prepared. I always supervise. They are not allowed in the chicken shed alone and I always go in first. We will continue holding the rooster every day and see how it goes. When do roosters mature? Ours is only 6 weeks old right now.
 
I have had cockrels that started attacking me at eight weeks of age! They were impossible and left the flock. I have also had roosters that became human aggressive several months later. Genetics are the #1 factor, IMO; management and training do play a role. The polite roosters that I've had generally haven't ever really challenged a human. If your boy tries to be rude, correct him, but if he continues to be a jerk, find another nice cockrel instead. Mary
 
We don't have a need for a cockrel, so if this one turns mean we will just do without him. My son will be sad, but I'd rather have my kids safe than have a rooster around that we don't really need.
 
It's a hard lesson for a 6 year old, but I commend you on being honest with your son from the start....it will truly help him in the future.


You could always keep the cockerel separate, like out of sight and sound, from the hens. If they have nothing to protect they are less likely to become aggressive.

I'm really curious to know what the 4H leaders advise on this type of situation.
 
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I'm not going to get too deep into the nature versus nurture argument. I have no doubt certain aggressive tendencies are inherited, but I’m also sure how the rooster is handled as a chick and an adolescent has a lot to do with magnifying or minimizing those tendencies. You are in a totally different situation than I am so I can’t be of any real help to you on that based on my experiences.

I may be able to help a little on how a cockerel matures. Each one is different and on their own time scale, so I can’t give you an absolute schedule, more of a sequence.

Even at hatch some cockerels have certain tendencies. Not all, but some. They tend to have a more upright posture and are more curious. They tend to have more personality so of course these are the ones people tend to fall in love with. A lot of cockerels don’t exhibit this at hatch, but many do. And the pullets can exhibit a lot of this behavior too. It is really difficult to be sure of sex based on behavior at hatch, but occasionally you get a cockerel that you know from the start.

As they mature their behavior changes. This can be as young as a few weeks or it can take months. The cockerels continue to be the leaders. If you open the pop door from the coop to the run, the first ones out are more likely to be the males. The first ones to even look out are more likely to be male. Again, some pullets will surprise you but the leaders tend to be male.

At some point, often 12 weeks to 16 weeks, the male hormones attack. Again, it can be younger or much later. They start to show an interest in the opposite sex, while the pullets are generally much later in showing any interest in this. That can cause for some stressful times in the flock and for you as you watch. But most of this interest is not really in sex, it’s about dominance. Those hormones are driving the cockerel to become THE flock master, the most dominant chicken in the flock. They start fighting and trying to intimidate each other. They also try to intimidate the pullets, to show their dominance to the pullets.

The sexual ritual is about dominance as much or maybe more as sex at any age, but especially here. The one on bottom is accepting the dominance of the one on top, either willingly or by force. At this age it’s force. The pullets are slower to mature and don’t know what is going on. It can get pretty rough and messy.

To complicate it a bit, the pecking order is also being established. Pullets may square off and fight cockerels as well as each other. Pecking order has a lot to do with maturity, the more mature will rank higher than the immature of either sex. Since the individuals of both sexes mature at different rates, there can be a constant resetting of the pecking order until they all grow up.

At the end of the day you will wind up with one dominant rooster, monarch of the entire flock. The rest of the flock will sort out their pecking order. It’s not that unusual for some of the hens to outrank some of the non-dominant roosters in the flock. Things really do get peaceful.

There are no set ages when any of this occurs. Some people report a cockerel trying to crow at one week of age, some wait until they are seven or eight months old. That shows how much variety there is in this. From what I’ve seen in my flock, most cockerels start serious male behavior around 12 to 16 weeks. Depending on flock make-up as well as their own personality, this behavior can last a couple of months or maybe as long as a year. I’ve had a rare cockerel acting pretty mature by 4 to 5 months, but some have taken all of a year. Typically things settle down around 6 to 7 months. Most pullets are laying by then so they have finally matured and the males have pretty much sorted things out between themselves.

The one that is most likely to become human aggressive is the flock master, the one that wins all those battles. He is the one with all the responsibilities of the flock on his shoulders. It’s his job to protect the flock. He also has to continually defend his position as flock master if there are any challengers. If he hears a hen in distress, say someone is chasing them or catches one and she is protesting, he will go to see what is going on. He may or may not defend that hen. If he perceives someone as challenging his position as flock master, he may attack.

I remember a post in here several years back where a 5 year old boy saw a rooster dancing for a hen, so he went out to dance for the rooster. It was so cute, until the rooster attacked the kid. That rooster had been fine with kids, never a threat. But when that kid danced for him, that was perceived as an attempt to dominate him, take away his position as flock master. Remember the mating ritual is about dominance as much as sex. From then on whenever that rooster saw that kid, he attacked.

It’s things like that that can trigger a normally great rooster into suddenly attacking, his flock being threatened or his position being threatened. You never know what is going in in the mind of that rooster, what may set him off. Some people have noticed that their rooster attacks them when they are wearing certain colors or certain shoes, but are fine otherwise. Some roosters may leave you alone but attack any stranger.

It is certainly possible for a family and a rooster to coexist. I grew up on a small farm with a free ranging flock, always with at least one or two roosters. I don’t remember me or any of my four siblings ever being attacked but those chickens were not pets, they were livestock. We worked and played in their vicinity but never went out of our way to interact with them, except when I’d chase one down for the dinner table. Others on here have serious problems with roosters.

I don’t know if you will get anything beneficial out of this or not. I don’t think I told you anything about how to avoid a problem. Good luck!
 
Ridgerunner - great point about livestock vs. pet. Acceptable behaviors might be quite different based on that distinction!

I had roosters last year - not intentionally, but when a hen went broody, I gave her a dozen fertile eggs and ended up with 7 roosters. I kept two of them, including the most beautiful black Orpington I have ever seen. My flock are definitely pets - most of the hens are "lap hens"! Fred was very, very sweet and affectionate as a youngster, coming up to be picked up every day. Once the hormones kicked in, his affection shifted to the ladies, and he tolerated our presence. He killed the junior roo in a battle, which should have been a good sign of what was to come. He started...sneak attacking my husband, not out and out rushing him, but sidling up and beating at him with his wings (happily, no spurs). And then he started doing it to my daughter (she is 21). And still I put up with it, because he was so lovely.

Then, his amorous attentions became too much for the ladies. They were terrorized by his attentions and started hiding on the roost all day. The ones who came down were quickly shredded, having large completely bald spots on their backs and sides. So I got hen saddles to protect them (did not help their sides, and just served to complete rub the skin raw under the saddles)

And then one day, he attacked me. I shot him. The hens are so much happier, my husband is happier, and the farm is clucking along again. No more roosters for us, unless the apocalypse hits and I need to raise my own.

Fred, before he completely shredded the ladies - he is about 10 months old here.

 
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