*Ranting* Stop picking on my dog!!!!!

I am on the other side of that. People hate on that breed for a reason. Its not cause it is any more dangerous than other breeds like it but because owners spread the lie that they are harmless to people that don't have the experience to own a breed that has that much power. That gets people hurt. No dog is harmless an I know from first had experience that someones "harmless, wouldn't hurt a fly" bull dog can randomly try to kill a 7 year old girl for no reason.
Just like people have hated on many breeds before them. from shepards, to rotties, to dobbies, and it is a fear of the dog, if it wasnt a fear of the dog then people wouldnt judge all of that breed, if it wasnt fear of the dog it wouldnt be my dog who got kicked out of the park for being attacked, every dog can be bad in the wrong hands, every dog needs training and dicipline any dog is dangerous without it.


I actually agree with you as well. There is a different level of experience that comes with different breeds of dogs, and a pit bull is one of those dog's that takes a higher experience level.
yes, but it doesnt mean the breed as a whole is dangerous
I have never once in my 13 years in EMS seen a dog bite from a lab or Golden. I have lost count of the bites I have seen with pits. I have lost count on the number of pits I have had to have LEOs taze or pepper spray so I could go in an help the owner. And a pit was the only dog I have ever had to pull off of a 7 year old girl an shoot.

There are more dangerous dogs out there. But at least with those breeds the owners know it. With pits they always say they are harmless. always...
Are you sure they were pits? there are many breeds with that big blocky head and if its a mix just cause it has a pitty looking head doesnt mean its a pitty. and not all pitties are bad, if you look at the research every 10 to 20 years or so they pick a new breed of dog to pick on, and a new breed of dog gets a bad rep because people figure out that they can be turned nasty and used to hurt other people for their own gain. Any dog is dangerous in the wrong hands, any dog.
 
Again, its not the breed, its the lie that is commonly spread that "they are a safe breed as long as you are not mean to them."


the problem a lot of people don't understand is that that is untrue about ANY dog. :) It's never in how you raise them because, like people, there are going to be some dogs born that just have a screw loose. I think the statement should be changed to "It's all how you MANAGE them"

http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/11/20/its-not-how-theyre-raised/
 
I plan on getting a Komondor as a LGD, and I think i'm more worried about THAT than if I got a pit bull
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They are actually a breed that has aggression bred into them! Luckily I know how to train but I anticipate it will be tough. And to the person who said "look who's talking", I am a dog groomer and I specialize in grooming dogs that are aggressive, the ones other groomers refuse to do. I have only had skin break 2 or 3 times, but man do they try! In this case the dogs are flat out trying to bite no questions asked, so they are already displaying aggressive behavior you don't need to real body language for that. The key is to get them to a calm and submissive state. You can ask any good trainer if they have ever been bit and I am sure they will tell you at least once.
 
I work at a vet clinic, so maybe my opinion doesn't really fit into everyday social aspects of dogs. I use caution with all dogs but I (and the rest of the staff including doctors) will be extra cautious with certain breeds. Breed profiling happens, reality is harsh. If you are going to own high profile breeds, you need to accept the pre-conceived notions (based on facts--look at insurance companies that don't take a list of breeds) on them. (Just for the record I have owned Pits, Dobermans and Mastiffs).
 
Are you sure they were pits?
Yes. An it really does not matter. It is not the breed. It is the mindset of most of the owners that own or think they own a pit.

Go to youtube an search harmless pit bull. Its full of videos of stupid people that are trying to prove how safe there dog is. Its full of videos with people fighting with there pit or letting it bite them or hundreds of other bad things that will get someone hurt one day. All cause they want to prove how save a breed it is.

There is a video from just the other day making the rounds. Guy has his dog walking off leash(news says pit but you cant tell). Dog suddenly bolts across several lanes of traffic an starts trying to kill a little girl.



Its not the people that use pits for bad things that have gave the breed a bad name. Those people know what the dog can do. Its the people that are stuck on the idea that there dog is somehow safer than other big strong breeds an that the bad things that have happened must have been another breed that just looks like it. Those people are the problem.


You dont usually see people getting dobermans for there kids cause everyone knows better.
You dont usually see that junk with most strong breeds.
You see it all the time with pits. Why? "they are harmless" "those were not really pits" "those dogs were beaten" You hear this junk all the time so there is no wonder why there are so many badly trained pits in the hands of uninformed owners that actually believe this junk.
 
I am now retired but also worked for a vet for 20 years. I also did rescue as a last chance stop for high profile dogs. . I have been bit by dogs and cats and other species of animals throughout my life.(farm kid) If you work with them it happens. Ask horse trainers if they have ever been kicked. That being said....

I agree with with the statement It is how they are managed. Owning a high profile dog is a great responsibility that should never be taken lightly. They ended up being high profile due to capabilities and track records. In owning one you must always be so very aware of what they are capable of, even if they choose not to exercise their strength and power.

I also agree with the statement that dogs are like people, sometimes they are just born with a screw loose. No matter how careful your breeding program, no matter the species, things happen and this is why we cull. The fact that high profile breeds have such extrordinary capabilities makes the act of culling very necessary. Thinking you can control a high profile breed that has a screw loose is crazy and irresponsible. It is akin to thinking you are in control of your pet lion. Are they all like this? No, but some are and this is what has led to stats and data, thus turning certain breeds into high profile breeds.

I believe that a lot depends upon responsible dog ownership. Unfortunately this does not always happen, as we all know. It is unfair to say acting a certain way with one breed or having a preconcieved notion about a breed is akin to racism, because its not. If you work with LOTS of animals all day everyday (no holidays for farmers) you tend to watch your Ps and Qs with certain breeds or certain dogs because you know what they are capable of, or willing to do. Hey nobody likes to get bit. This is no different then being extra cautious with a certain stallion because he bites or strikes, etc. We as handlers do have the right of self preservation.

As far as being an EMT entering a household of a high profile breed durring a time of high strife, or high emotional arrousal, man, whew I wouldn't want to be you. (thankyou so kindly for doing so)Dogs are territorial, and they naturally gaurd the family home from intruders. Imagine their state of high allert due to the ongoing emergency as well. Also as mentioned time is not on the side of the EMT. I can see how this type of event could turn into a need to dispose of a dog. This does not mean the EMT enjoys the act, no matter how nessesary.

Am I against or anti Pitbull or high profile dog. No, not at all. I am very fond of them, and have owned A LOT of them through the years. This however has never clouded my vision on their capabilities. That being said facts are facts and to ignore them is folly. Other people do not have to like your dog breed, just you do. Its kinda like having kids, not everybody loves your kids as much as you do.
 
I have a German Shepherd. Ahhhh the crap that I hear, you'd be amazed that my entire family hasn't been killed in their sleep :rolleyes:

I have had people SCREAM, throw whatever they are carrying at us and run into traffic to get to the other side of the street. Mind you, we were waiting for the parade to start and my dogs were being so well-behaved that this guy didn't even know we had been sitting 5 feet down the sidewalk from him for almost 20 minutes. He turned his head because someone asked if they could pet Singe and the little boy beside us started giggling and shrieking because Singe's tail smacked him in the head. Yup vicious dog, going to decapitate toddlers with his tail. :/ He continued to scream obscenities at us from the other side of the road about bringing a dangerous animal into a public place with small children.

Believe me, I know what the OP is feeling. I've also owned pit mixes in the past and they've all been big babies as well. The problem comes when owners/rescues/well-meaning people become convinced that all of the bad image is because the dog is "raised wrong" Any dog can do damage and, naturally, a bigger dog is going to have bigger teeth than a small dog. Some breeds are known to be more tolerant than others but when you talk those kind of generalizations you are talking about well-bred dogs from a responsible breeder. And we all know that the vast majority of animals on the planet weren't responsibly bred. These people ignore the requirements of being a responsible owner, sure that just because they were never mean to their puppy that he will never bite anyone.
WRONG. Bites have little to do with how the dog is raised. Sometimes, they don't even have anything to do with the dog itself; the people (owner or the public) cause the bite by ignoring the dog's discomfort and body language in certain situations.

How many youtube videos have you seen where someone is "proving" how great their dog is with children? Dog people watch those and feel like throwing up. Ears down/back, licking their lips, trying to get up and leave - all signs that the dog is uncomfortable with what is going on. Yet the owners tell the dog to stay where it is and laugh when the dog starts licking the baby's face - instead of being the cute sign of affection that the owner believes, it's the dog's last ditch effort to be submissive to this tiny human that is banging on his head and pulling his ears. Yet, when the dog eventually growls or god forbid snaps at the child, the dog is going to be the one paying the price and the owner will say "oh, he's always been so gentle. This came out of nowhere." They will never realized that they set the dog up to fail.

What the owner of ANY dog (not just "dangerous" breeds) needs to do is manage their dog. Yes, you have to raise them right - that is only common sense. You also have to make sure that they are in good health, not just wait until they are acting sick to take them to the vet (dogs mask their pain well but might still have a shorter temper due to an illness that the owner doesn't know about). Above all, you need to manage them wisely, both at home and in public. That means you socialize them well. You keep them leashed or contained, not letting them roam the neighborhood. When you are out walking, keep them by your side and behaved, not straining at the end of a 25' flexie-lead (those things should be outlawed anyway). Pick up poop. Don't let your dog bark at everyone who passes by on the sidewalk. Don't let him run up and greet people, no matter how friendly he is. Be aware of his surroundings - see the child who is about to run up and tackle hug your dog and stop him before he has the chance to do it. See the person down the sidewalk starting to tense up at the sight of your dog and move to the side and put your dog into a sit or down so that they can be more at ease - smile and say hello, don't get defensive because you know how friendly your dog is.
If you do all of these things, then you know that you have done everything that you can do for your dog. Yes, there will still be haters but you can hold your head high and your dog's behavior will speak for itself to the rest of the world.
 
Love your post dainerra! My dog has a killer tail,too. Always telling people not to expose there neck to her, never know what might happen!
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Great advice though and I agree!
 

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