Restaurant refuses to serve pregnant woman glass of wine...Thoughts?

[Pagan Prince]

Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right

Good point ... I like your sig... Ohh... and your last point​

 

[Vanderfelt]

I worked in a small town bar for years. We had two main signs, the right to refuse service sign, and the customer is always wrong, sign. They were both referenced often.

 

[rancher hicks]

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A hamburg to an obese person just effects them.

With the litigious (you know what I mean) society we have . If she drinks that wine it could harm her baby and then she in turn could sue.

No one who loves their baby would risk fetal alcohol syndrome, IMO. Remember the ads, "mothers who smoke have babies who smoke". It the same with alcohol.

"I give you wine and your baby gets hurt and you sue, I get mad. I don't serve you alcohol you get mad. Better you get mad."

Such is life,

Rancher

That's ridiculous, I guess you've never had a problem with addiction?

Allow me to get upset.

I come from a long line of alcoholics. I have not only seen it I've lived it! You have no idea who your talking to. The rights of the mother should never outweigh the rights of the baby. No matter what ones opinion is.
If your insinuating that someone with an addiction has an excuse, your the one who is ridiculous. There is no excuse for not getting help for an addiction that harms the innocent. You can guess all you want and you'd be wrong. Don't try to tell me about something I know first hand!

Pagan, a little red wine being good is crap medicine. Do some research. There are other ways to get the benefits in red wine without destroying the brain cells of your fetus.

NO CHILD SHOULD LIVE WITH DIMINISHED INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY BECAUSE THE MOTHER COULDN'T DO WITHOUT A DRINK FOR 9 MONTHS. NO CHILD!

You'll never convince me otherwise, I'm smarter than that.

Rancher

 

[aubreynoramarie]

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They would have a hard time proving discrimination. All the place has to say is she is welcome to come in without a child an drink. There not refusing to serve anyone of age for any reason. There refusing to serve someone that is under age.

Beings abortion is probably legal in the state that this occurred they would be hard pressed to prove ( in court) the fetus is / was a child under age. What she eats or drinks is none of the restaurants business she should sue them for discriminating against her, their stupid polices should be posted so before ordering a meal a decision can be made to leave . I would have made a scene and forced a manager to discipline the employee who was trying to force her / his beliefs on someone else

and I you would have been in a locally run business, it's possible that te owner or manager would have asked you to leave and not come back for making such a scene over a descision that the restaurant has to make. They can lose you as a customer, or they can lose all the the loyal customers that refuse to go to an establishment that serves alcohol to pregnant women. She holds no case in court. I guess it really depends on the kind of restaurant it is. If it's sone crummy franchise like applebees or something, the management may kiss her butt when she makes a scene, but if it were a small business owner (like the many we have here) she would have been lauded out of the place and told not to come back. Big business has taught us that making a scene an being obnoxious will get us our way, but with small business making a comeback- I think we will find that creating a scene will just get you thrown out. Small business owners don't want that kind if crap in their place of business, o know plenty of them who do just fine without it.


That being said I still think this woman or any pregnant woman should not be surprised by being refused alcohol by a business who would be held liable for some stupid reason. People feel way to entitled now adays. Her rights were not infringed upon- she still had the right to take her business elsewhere.

 

[HarlansHollowFarms]

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I guess that that is exactly what the discussion is about--whether or not a restaurant DOES have a right to refuse service to anyone. Once upon a time there was a perceived right to refuse to serve based upon race...and gender...etc.

If it is a privately owned business....then yes they have the right to refuse service. There is plenty of legal wrangling over establishments that serve alcohol and where their responsibilities start and end. Bars and restaurants have been sued over folks getting too drunk and having accidents, serving to minors, etc. Because in our american society, it's easier and most common to blame others for our bad decisions, it is a business owner's duty to protect his business at all costs. If you are a business owner in a sue happy society you CYA - and if that means refusing to serve to a minor, a drunk or a pregnant woman, so be it. If you wanna get drunk, do it elsewhere.

Do I think the Gov't has the right to tell me what i can or can't eat? No I don't. I do not agree with cities who have banned certain cooking oils. Or who have passed laws saying I can't smoke in my car. Or schools who take milk out of the lunch room because some crack pot study says it makes kids fat.Or a zillion other laws that are passed to try and force people into common sense.

Further, I don't believe you can regulate, govern or force via law morality. You either have a sense of what is right and wrong or you don't. Clearly there are tons of mixed messages about what is good and what is bad especially when it comes to diet, exercise, drinking, etc. These "theories" from "experts" change quicker than most people change their socks.

That being said, there are babies being born with FAS, addicted to crack and other drugs, severe lung issues, low body weight, premature, etc that can be directly tied to what the mother put in her body during pregnancy. That is a fact. And it is also a fact that these preventable problems are a drain on society and public resources.

And since those resources come out of my taxes, then yes, I have a problem with it. I don't care what a person does in their life, as long as I don't have to pay for it. If your behavior effects my bottom dollar, yup I take issue.

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Listen, I am not going to argue morality...but

You don't want the government to do this and that...but it is ok for the government to butt in if it is within YOUR moral realm......GIVE ME A BREAK!

 

[HHandbasket]

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I would never spend money in a business that boasts a sign telling me I'm always wrong before I walk in the door.

 

[greeneggsandham]

I don't think having a small glass for red wine once or twice during a pregancy is bad. If we look at other coutries like France and Italy for example their children are brought up on drinking wine.
My mother worked with a lady from Pourtugel (Sp)? and when I was 10 we went to her home to pick up something she had made for my mom. The lady offered my a small glass of wine of course I didn't take it and my mother very nicely said that I was not allowed wine, but in her up bringing children were allowed to drink small amounts of wine daily.

 

[Pagan Prince]

Close to your heart Rancher... sorrry. But I was talking about one glass of wine to a "Non adict" ..... You over react.

Pagan, a little red wine being good is crap medicine. Do some research. There are other ways to get the benefits in red wine without destroying the brain cells of your fetus.

I have a feeling this thread has very little time left to exist .....​

 

[farmerlor]

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I have a feeling this thread has very little time left to exist .....

I'm thinking the same thing.

 

[aubreynoramarie]

Also, ever see the signs at almost every place of business? ( thus place of business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone)

it is the restaurants right whether or not they have the sign, like I said that woman also has the right to waste her money trying to sue. And with all of the lame waste of time lawsuits now a days, who knows what the outcome would be