RID lice shampoo for scaly legs?

[Linda V]

I think institutionalizing me has been discussed.

That's a very nice treat for your girls. You're correct, I don't feed them a cooked egg with garnishings. That would be quite an undertaking everyday.

I do, however, feed them a 1-3 dozen raw eggs most everyday. They love that!
And I do have names for quite a few of them. They're production...but they're also pets. I didn't plan that...it just kinda happened...lol.

With two chickens, you'll be able to keep a close eye on things so I don't know if I'd worry so much about treating them as often once they are healed and mite free. I'm going by the information that the mites reproduce every 10-14 days and basing treatment on that.

Like Poultrybreeder, I also free range the chickens and I see the sparrows and the pigeons eating with the flock. So I'm cognizant that it will be almost impossible to be completely free 100% of the time for me.

I'm not as familiar with Poultry Protector being that I'm from Canada. I intend to continue using the spray type cooking oil because it's effective on the mites, it's easy to use and it's cost effective. Remember, the leg mite breathes through it's cuticles so an oily spray/liquid will be effective at blocking it's ability to breathe...thus killing it. The sand, ash etc may help in controlling mites like the northern fowl mite on the hens' body...but an oily product/insecticide will work the best to kill scaly leg mites on the legs.

I think institutionalizing me has been discussed.

That's a very nice treat for your girls. You're correct, I don't feed them a cooked egg with garnishings. That would be quite an undertaking everyday.

I do, however, feed them a 1-3 dozen raw eggs most everyday. They love that!
And I do have names for quite a few of them. They're production...but they're also pets. I didn't plan that...it just kinda happened...lol.

With two chickens, you'll be able to keep a close eye on things so I don't know if I'd worry so much about treating them as often once they are healed and mite free. I'm going by the information that the mites reproduce every 10-14 days and basing treatment on that.

Like Poultrybreeder, I also free range the chickens and I see the sparrows and the pigeons eating with the flock. So I'm cognizant that it will be almost impossible to be completely free 100% of the time for me.

I'm not as familiar with Poultry Protector being that I'm from Canada. I intend to continue using the spray type cooking oil because it's effective on the mites, it's easy to use and it's cost effective. Remember, the leg mite breathes through it's cuticles so an oily spray/liquid will be effective at blocking it's ability to breathe...thus killing it. The sand, ash etc may help in controlling mites like the northern fowl mite on the hens' body...but an oily product/insecticide will work the best to kill scaly leg mites on the
legs.

Sort of figured you'd have a few "pet hens" in all that! I never heard of feeding them raw eggs but I'm paranoid about them going cannibalistic once they get a taste for it and I can't mix minced garlic, a micro-pinch of cumin and shredded cheese unless I fix them scrambled style! Besides...it makes me feel I'm doing something special for them...lol!

I think I will follow your advice on the veggie spray on their legs, but I'm partial to CANOLA oil and use the spray can of that myself. Being from Canada, I'm sure you know it well! Right now, I put 4 olive oils together to fill the coffee can so when they are soaking in it...they are standing on the bottom of the can and are up to their bellies in it. Man do they look yucky right now...but I'm finally seeing somer results on Abby's feet.

Okay...SERIOUS QUESTION time....

AFTER this nightmare is over - do I catch and spray their legs once a week, month or what? I can't make a schedule for this if I don't have a concrete "plan" of defense.

I know from reading the hardwood ash, DE, poultry powder (with permethrin) and the correct type of sand is a DIY preventative for them...not a cure!

Also...do you think my holding them in the oil once every 24 hours for FIVE MINTUES is also a good idea? I can't imagine not doing that since Abby's feet are - well - you saw them...horrific!

And...do you know IF I GENTLY remove some of those disgusting looking growths on her feet while I'm holding her up against me waiting for her to calm down before we "DIP" - or would that be a very bad idea?

I noticed small ones are coming off of her - with no help from me - and they are the dead remains of the mite nests (right terminology?) She has no red, or rashy looking areas on her legs at all so I feel good about that anyway.

Henrietta's legs are getting the same treatment, but she doesn't have those gross "mounds" or "nests" on her legs. Thank God!

I do not like forcing things to happen before they are ready...so I don't feel comfortable in just working them off her legs GENTLY each night...but I'm dying to do it!

Let me know what you think, okay?

Again..everything you share with me is deeply appreciated!

Linda in NC

 

[Linda V]

Update on my girl's and their scaly leg mites!

I dipped both of them in a deep coffee can filled with canola oil and two kinds of olive oil (one was green) and held their legs in it for 5 mins, 8 nights in a row!!

Thursday I'm going to apply a thick coat of NU-STOCK, wait three days and reapply again and that should do it!

Even tho these pics still look dreadful...they look a lot better than they did 8 days ago! Henrietta's legs/feet look really good despite the green color - that's the green oil!

Abigail's legs look like chicken legs again, but still have a ways to go as you can see!

I posted the BEFORE pic of Abby's legs and then the after pics of her legs and Henrietta's - who didn't have it that bad, but you have to treat them both of course!

Will post pics after the Nu-Stock treatment is over so we can really see what it did for them!

I love picking Abby up and holding her - she's so sweet and docile now, but Henrietta HATES being picked up, held, etc., so I used a dish towel to "swaddle" her and that did the trick!

So, here are the pics...and remember Abby's legs still look nasty, but not as bad as 8 days ago!

I still have no idea what that hideous growth on her leg is, but it is as hard as a rock!

AFTER 8 oil-dip treatments @ 5mins each....(still pretty bad!)

HENRIETTA'S LEGS BEFORE OIL DIP TREATMENTS:

AFTER 8 OIL DIPS:

NEXT UP....NU-STOCK x two!

HERE'S A LINK WITH ALL THE FACTS ABOUT NU-STOCK:

https://www.amazon.com/Duvet-001-0530-Nu-Stock-Ointment-12-Ounce/dp/B000HHSIYQ

Linda V 8/1/17

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Hi Linda! I'm so glad you posted. I'd lost track of this thread and I was going to have to go looking for it to reply...lol. I have others to look up as well farther back. Thank you for saving me in this regards.

The legs are looking much better! That's fantastic! It looks like you're doing an excellent job.

Hopefully with time Henrietta learns it's not such a bad thing and gives in a bit. I'm happy to hear Abby is loving it.

The hideous lump is from the mites. It from their excrement and residual activity. It may take some time, additional applications and sloughing scrubs to get it worn off. Until it's gone, I would think there's a possibility that mites may still be partying underneath. That may be where the scrubbing lightly with a toothbrush may come into play...like the first baths you gave, but her whole body doesn't have to go in. I believe that helps to slough the extra stuff off and clean up the scales so the oil can penetrate further. Many scrub with a toothbrush to help aid and quicken the process.

The dipping is great. It should help to allow the oil to penetrate deeply to reach the mites. Working at the scales can damage the scales...but if bits are coming loose from the lump on the leg...it shouldn't hurt to help that along assuming that you're not prying a large chunk off close to the scales.

The first chickens I had with my scaly leg mites had quite a mess...but I didn't get them treated them as often or work at the extra "stuff" on their legs. It does eventually come off but it's a much slower progress. I'll get a picture of his legs tonight to show you. (If I can just remember )

As far as a program for preventing the leg mites, I've never seen anyone suggest a specific example. Going by the 10-14 day reproduction cycle, treating every two weeks "should" keep all scaly leg mites at bay because everything should get caught in that cycle.

In theory, one could extend that if two week treatments prove to be successful...if the legs are clear and the coop is clear, I can't imagine the legs becoming infested right away. Depending on the environment of the coop and birds, a person could possibly extend to 3 weeks to a month, or possibly longer. You could keep a close eye on two birds and treat only when you see it's necessary.

With my birds I'm aiming at treating monthly at least with additional sprays on the birds with the worse legs. If mine had 100% perfect legs, at this point with this many birds...I'd probably extend that to every 2-3 months and see how it goes. I'll always continue to spray their legs as a preventative. I'm going to have to find what works for my birds as well.

I purchased Nu Stock. It's incredibly thick and I found it harder to apply successfully to larger number of birds. I just bought another 2 cans of generic "Canola" cooking spray. I'm with you in regards to Canola oil...it's our most cost friendly option as far as edible oils. We have three quarters sowed to Canola.

 

[Linda V]

Hi Linda! I'm so glad you posted. I'd lost track of this thread and I was going to have to go looking for it to reply...lol. I have others to look up as well farther back. Thank you for saving me in this regards.

The legs are looking much better! That's fantastic! It looks like you're doing an excellent job.

Hopefully with time Henrietta learns it's not such a bad thing and gives in a bit. I'm happy to hear Abby is loving it.

The hideous lump is from the mites. It from their excrement and residual activity. It may take some time, additional applications and sloughing scrubs to get it worn off. Until it's gone, I would think there's a possibility that mites may still be partying underneath. That may be where the scrubbing lightly with a toothbrush may come into play...like the first baths you gave, but her whole body doesn't have to go in. I believe that helps to slough the extra stuff off and clean up the scales so the oil can penetrate further. Many scrub with a toothbrush to help aid and quicken the process.

The dipping is great. It should help to allow the oil to penetrate deeply to reach the mites. Working at the scales can damage the scales...but if bits are coming loose from the lump on the leg...it shouldn't hurt to help that along assuming that you're not prying a large chunk off close to the scales.

The first chickens I had with my scaly leg mites had quite a mess...but I didn't get them treated them as often or work at the extra "stuff" on their legs. It does eventually come off but it's a much slower progress. I'll get a picture of his legs tonight to show you. (If I can just remember )

As far as a program for preventing the leg mites, I've never seen anyone suggest a specific example. Going by the 10-14 day reproduction cycle, treating every two weeks "should" keep all scaly leg mites at bay because everything should get caught in that cycle.

In theory, one could extend that if two week treatments prove to be successful...if the legs are clear and the coop is clear, I can't imagine the legs becoming infested right away. Depending on the environment of the coop and birds, a person could possibly extend to 3 weeks to a month, or possibly longer. You could keep a close eye on two birds and treat only when you see it's necessary.

With my birds I'm aiming at treating monthly at least with additional sprays on the birds with the worse legs. If mine had 100% perfect legs, at this point with this many birds...I'd probably extend that to every 2-3 months and see how it goes. I'll always continue to spray their legs as a preventative. I'm going to have to find what works for my birds as well.

I purchased Nu Stock. It's incredibly thick and I found it harder to apply successfully to larger number of birds. I just bought another 2 cans of generic "Canola" cooking spray. I'm with you in regards to Canola oil...it's our most cost friendly option as far as edible oils. We have three quarters sowed to Canola.

Dear "Wicked" (that doesn't feel right, but you picked it...lol!)

Just wanted to clear up one detail...I NEVER removed anything at all from Abby's legs! The only touched that horrible growth on her leg to see how if felt! It was as hard as a bone...not kidding. That freaked me out. Then I soaked her feet in the canola and olive oil mixture 5 mins.

I'm glad you told me about that pointy thing - nobody would tell me what it might be but because it's rock hard, I had no clue...until now!

Tomorrow I'm getting the NU-STOCK but it says to "mix well" so I might cut the end of the tube off, squeeze it all out into an airtight container and then try to mix it up really well and if that doesn't cut it...add a drop of olive oil like the directions suggested.

I'll be wearing disposable surgical gloves and will start at the top of the leg and work down to the toes...both birds, of course!

Then we are supposed to wait 3 days and repeat.

I've got pics of "before treatment" and "after 8 dips" so I'll take a pic 3 days after the Nu-Stock application and then the 3rd day after the 2nd application.

If I don't like what I see, however...Abby's going to keep getting this done to her. She's the one with the severe problem....I think 2 apps of NS on Henrietta should get-r-done!

Yeah..I'd love to see those photos and i think everyone else would too on here. I noticed that everyone has the "before" pics...but nobody has any "during" or "after" pics. That's a shame becuz we NEED to see them all as a "measurement" of our success or failure!

Anyway...I just cannot believe how gross her legs/feet still look after my bathing her and 8 oil dips.

By the way...I did not submerge them all the way into the bath...lol! Only half way up their bodies...wanted to get their underbelly and privates soaked too!

This must be done soon cuz molting season is on the way!

Keep in touch, Wicked...and thanks for your message...it was great!!!

Linda in NC
8/2/17

Protected from the sides, top and bottom....as is the 14-foot run and coop too!

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Good morning!

Technically the "wicked" part is "sort of" meant to be the slang version of wicked...meaning awesome...as in "awesome chickens" But it's taken different ways and I'm ok with that. I have a lot of fun with it.

I have wicked sheep too, they were way before the chickens, and people get a kick out of that. It always makes them chuckle...lol.

I'm sorry if there has been any miscommunication on my part. I understand that you didn't pry or work at the lump on her leg. I was mentioning that because it mentions this on scaly leg mite sites.

Looking closer at your after pic of Abby, it almost looks like the mass the mites have created has pushed the scales out to where they are sitting on the outside of the mass? I hope I'm wrong about that. I'm not sure what it will look like under there when that eventually sloughs off. I'm thinking that under that does slough off...Abby may still have mites deep underneath on that part of her leg.

The Nu stock is part oil/part yellow, gritty paste. It does shake up quite well in the tube. To be honest, I forgot I have a tube....lol.

It does take a while to regenerate everything as far as the legs are concerned. It takes a while to get this way and a while to get everything cleaned out from the scales. I told you I was going to take a pic of my rooster, I forgot, but they're still locked in because it's raining here. I will take a pic before I let them out.

 

[Linda V]

Good morning!

Technically the "wicked" part is "sort of" meant to be the slang version of wicked...meaning awesome...as in "awesome chickens" But it's taken different ways and I'm ok with that. I have a lot of fun with it.

I have wicked sheep too, they were way before the chickens, and people get a kick out of that. It always makes them chuckle...lol.

I'm sorry if there has been any miscommunication on my part. I understand that you didn't pry or work at the lump on her leg. I was mentioning that because it mentions this on scaly leg mite sites.

Looking closer at your after pic of Abby, it almost looks like the mass the mites have created has pushed the scales out to where they are sitting on the outside of the mass? I hope I'm wrong about that. I'm not sure what it will look like under there when that eventually sloughs off. I'm thinking that under that does slough off...Abby may still have mites deep underneath on that part of her leg.

The Nu stock is part oil/part yellow, gritty paste. It does shake up quite well in the tube. To be honest, I forgot I have a tube....lol.

It does take a while to regenerate everything as far as the legs are concerned. It takes a while to get this way and a while to get everything cleaned out from the scales. I told you I was going to take a pic of my rooster, I forgot, but they're still locked in because it's raining here. I will take a pic before I let them out.

Yeah...I forgot that "wicked" can be "wicked good" or "wicked bad"... but I'm glad you wrote back!

Public consensus is now telling me....are you ready? IT'S A SPUR!
I hope so, cuz if it is - we can just ignore it! But...I do appreciate the heads up on the ointment. We start tomorrow after dinner...ugh!

I must make sure it's well mixed so you say that's not a problem? Good, I sure hope not...I've got enuf to worry about!

Not sure about this hen/spur thing but it's all over the web too, so I will continue reading, but no matter what...it will be treated along with the rest of her legs once 2moro and then again on Sunday.

Will keep you updated, you wicked wicked woman....yikes!

LindaV in NC

 

[Wickedchicken6]

Yeah...I forgot that "wicked" can be "wicked good" or "wicked bad"... but I'm glad you wrote back!

Public consensus is now telling me....are you ready? IT'S A SPUR!
I hope so, cuz if it is - we can just ignore it! But...I do appreciate the heads up on the ointment. We start tomorrow after dinner...ugh!

I must make sure it's well mixed so you say that's not a problem? Good, I sure hope not...I've got enuf to worry about!

Not sure about this hen/spur thing but it's all over the web too, so I will continue reading, but no matter what...it will be treated along with the rest of her legs once 2moro and then again on Sunday.

Will keep you updated, you wicked wicked woman....yikes!

LindaV in NC

A spur on the outside of the leg? Did she have anything like that at the beginning? My rooster had hard lumps of crud on his leg...which have sloughed off to reveal his one spur.

I got pictures of my one rooster, he HATES being caught...lol. It's never a fun job and for such an older guy, he can sure move. His legs are not looking good. You've treated your girls more than I've treated him. I'm going to get aggressive in treating him to clear it up. I'm going to get catch him on Friday and get out a bath, water, some dawn and a toothbrush. He's a hard case.

Mr. Olgas feet before.
You can see a large chunk of mite residue covering most of the spur on his right leg.

Mr. Olga today. He requires some work.

I'm happy I did catch him for the pics because I discovered his underside is red. I dusted him with Carbaryl. (For those reading, Carbaryl is still considered an acceptable treatment in Canada at this time) Mr. Rock had this last year. I tried several different treatments, but the redness only went away once I dusted. I don't see any regular parasites...but there is something that appears to respond to the insecticide. (And is that a hen laying an egg in the background? Sheesh.)

Here's one of my original OEGB roosters bought the first year as a chick.
(His legs are blue because I painted them that way to mark him)

He's representative of the rest of the roosters.
He's been treated with oil no more than Mr. Olga just for comparison.
I took this pic in May.

 

[Linda V]

A spur on the outside of the leg? Did she have anything like that at the beginning? My rooster had hard lumps of crud on his leg...which have sloughed off to reveal his one spur.

I got pictures of my one rooster, he HATES being caught...lol. It's never a fun job and for such an older guy, he can sure move. His legs are not looking good. You've treated your girls more than I've treated him. I'm going to get aggressive in treating him to clear it up. I'm going to get catch him on Friday and get out a bath, water, some dawn and a toothbrush. He's a hard case.

Mr. Olgas feet before.
You can see a large chunk of mite residue covering most of the spur on his right leg.
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Mr. Olga today. He requires some work.
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I'm happy I did catch him for the pics because I discovered his underside is red. I dusted him with Carbaryl. (For those reading, Carbaryl is still considered an acceptable treatment in Canada at this time) Mr. Rock had this last year. I tried several different treatments, but the redness only went away once I dusted. I don't see any regular parasites...but there is something that appears to respond to the insecticide. (And is that a hen laying an egg in the background? Sheesh.)
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Here's one of my original OEGB roosters bought the first year as a chick.
(His legs are blue because I painted them that way to mark him)

He's representative of the rest of the roosters.
He's been treated with oil no more than Mr. Olga just for comparison.
I took this pic in May.
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That was a WICKED good post...lol!
I am blown away by that last rooster pic....he's is too sexy for the cat walk! Gorgeous and very pleasing to look at! What a gem he is! It appears I'm prejudice when it comes to black & white feathers since they all seem to stand above the rest in my eyes!

Off to Southern States today to pick up Nu-Stock! Will wait till 7pm, however, to use it so they don't have but one hour or so before they roost for the night.

The inside of my 2-story coop is sealed/stained - CA Rustic - like everything else on my property...so the mites don't set up condos on the walls, perches, etc., and don't forget - all summer & spring I use SAND in my coop, nests and under their perches in the roosting area. I am dusting daily with Poultry Dust...with permethrin, of course!

About the "spur"....I'm just going to treat her legs with the NU-Stock and if it comes off, fine..if it doesn't and it's not a "bad thing" it will just be there forever. REmoving spurs is not for the light of heart - they can bleed out so there's no reason for me to remove it for cosmetic reasons. As long as she's okay having it!

Hope you share your before/after pics of the SLM on the Scaly Leg Mite portion of this website. People (like me) need to see how they are supposed to look after a few treatments and then when they're cured. All we ever see are the before pics...

Your b/w rooster's legs look better than mine...lol!!!! Not kidding!

Until next week....take care, and thanks so much for sharing your AWESOME pics!!!

LindaV in NC
8/3/17