Rumpless and Vitamin D

trash80

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From what I understand of chickens, the oil gland in the rump contains an oil the chicken spreads on it's feathers, when sunlight (UV rays) hits the oil, the oil is converted to Vitamin D. I wrote a paper about Vitamin D and one of my cited sources described this process, I don't have either in front of me now, but if someone is really really interested, I can research my files to find it (the search may take a while).

My question is: if a chicken is rumpless, how does the chicken get it's vitamin D?

(For those interested: most all animals make Vitamin D in their skin, same with you and I, some animals are either covered in fur or feathers and must obtain Vitamin D by other means, via food or, in the case of the chicken, an oil gland. Vitamin D is more than the milk vitamin, it is important in the development of the nervous and endocrine systems. Research shows that Vitamin D deficiency can contribute to Diabetes, slow growth rate, mental illness, skin and other cancers, and much much more (many internet sites and research papers exist that you can research). Much of the troubles with a deficiency is actually in the parent, or momma to be exact. The parent lacks sufficient Vitamin D, which allows little for the growing embryo. Then when the baby grows the deficiency leads to underdeveloped body systems, the deficiency is passed on to the next generation. Breaking the cycle calls for increased Vitamin D in the body before formation of the zygote, then sufficient Vitamin D throughout the newborns life. This generation must also keep sufficient Vitamin D available to the body before breeding and bearing young.)

Therefore, I wonder about the health of rumpless breeds, how would they obtain sufficient Vitamin D naturally?

If breeds, such as the Araucana, were breed by natives, did those natives see that the birds obtained Vitamin D (maybe not that they knew what they were giving them, only that the 'feed' seemed to enhance the breed.)

Also, lack of Vitamin D doesn't necessarily make the animal look or act ill, humans in civilized worlds are severely deficient, we spend a lot of time in temperature controlled environments out of the sunlight. Although, I believe the deficiency leads to the many illnesses we do have.

Just Curious.

P.S. Rickets is a severe deficiency of Vitamin D, which is not what I'm discussing. Scientists are currently pursuing a change in our current Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) of Vitamin D. They are looking to increase RDA by 500%. The RDA today is just enough to allow our bodies to utilize the RDA of calcium. New research states we need much more for many other body functions, such as inter-nerve communication.
 
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This is not a late april fools is it?
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Why wouldn't a chicken make vit D in his skin.
Most animals are covered in fur or feathers.
 
Read here:
http://www.birdsnways.com/wisdom/ww42ev.htm


In most birds, the preen gland collects the raw pre-D from the bloodstream, and concentrates it in the gland oils. These are then exposed to sunlight by spreading on the feathers during preening. The bird then ingests the UV exposed material when it preens again, and the oils enter the body again as previtamin D.
 
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The truth of this matter is simple: birds require a regular photoperiod for health, and receive all of the Vitamin D they require from balanced dietary sources. The rest is a myth​
 
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Because UV rays are required to make Vitamin D, sunlight cannot penetrate the feathers.

Most animals have patches of less coating, eg the wattles, comb.
There must be a reason that the skin can produce vit D.
I mean marginal production.
 
I was specifically speaking of Vitamin D3 (and anywhere I say 'Vitamin D', otherwise I'll note the whether D2 or D1). That website speaks in circles, calling it a myth in one sentence, then in another speaking directly to Vitamin D synthesis.


The problem I do have with the site, it sounds informative and factual, the person is supposedly a trained Psychologist and Sociologist, which is taught proper scientific technique. What is lacking is a bibliography from which the information was taken, all scientists are taught to supply references. Also this person states their profession while not supplying information usually needed on a curriculum vita. ie where did this person receive their degree, how long has this person been practicing, etc. I'm not saying the person is wrong, I'm just saying I look for certain things from scientist, and expect more. Nor, am I saying the person is right.

If your wondering, I have an Associates & BS Degree in Computer Information Science, a minor in English with Technical Writing emphasis from Missouri Southern State University. Although my papers aren't published, I was asked to publish my writings. I've written one paper on effects of Vitamin D deficiency and a speech on the same.

Here is a link with my papers as well as cited papers:
http://downloads.trash80.org/Vitamin_D/

I will say that the article quoted above does say that diet provides sufficient Vitamin D, but I believe this "sufficient" is based on old standards, ie enough to stave off rickets, not enough for full health. Modern research has shown that greater amounts of Vitamin D is required for better health. I the chicken in question is used for short lived egg production or meat production, then maybe it doesn't matter (the environment described in the article seems to indicate it was written for production standpoint, not stewardship).

Here is a list of References that I used (published peer reviewed documents):
References

M.D. Holick, Michael F. “Vitamin D: importance in the prevention of cancers, type 1 diabetes,
heart disease, and osteoporosis.” The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2003. Pulled from www.ajcn.com May 2007.

M.D. Holick, Michael F. “Sunlight and Vitamin D”. Editorial, JGIM. Volume 17, 2002. Pulled from web May 2007.

Bill Sardi. “Is Fibromyalgia Just a Vitamin D Deficientcy?” Knowledge of Health Inc. 2006. Pulled from web May 2007.

Comment: William B. Grant, Response: Frank R. de Gruijl. “Health benefits of solar UV-B radiation through the production of vitamin D. Comment and response.” The Royal Society of Chemistry and Owner Societies, 2003. Pulled from web May 2007.

A.-L. Ponsonby, R. M. Lucas and I. A. F. van der Mei. “Symposium-in-Print: UV Radiation, Vitamin D and Human Health: An Unfolding Controversy UVR, Vitamin D and Three Autoimmune Diseases—Multiple Sclerosis, Type 1 Diabetes, Rheumatoid arthritis.” Photochemistry and Photobiology, 2005, 81: 1267–1275. Pulled from web May 2007.

Shamik J. Parikh, Marni Edelman, Gabriel I. Uwaifo, Renee J. Freedman, Mariama Semega-Jenneh, James Reynolds, and Jack A. Yanovski. “The Relationship between Obesity and Serum 1,25-Dihydroxy Vitamin D Concentrations in Healthy Adults.” The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 89(3):1196–1199. Pulled from web May 2007.

Vieth, Reinhold. “Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety.” The American journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1999. Pulled from web May 2007.

Holick, M.D. Michael F. “Vitamin D: A Millenium Perspective.” Journal of Cellular Biochemistry 88:296-307, 2003. Pulled from web May 2007.

William B. Grant, PhD, and Michael F. Holick, PhD, MD. “Benefits and Requirements of Vitamin D
for Optimal Health: A Review.” Alternative Medicine Review, Volume 10, Number 2, 2005. Pulled from web May 2007.

Zittermann, Armin. “Vitamin D in preventive medicine: are we ignoring the evidence?” British Journal of Nutrition, 2003. Pulled from web may 2007.


Hart, Gillian R. “Medical Conditions Associated with Vitamin D Deficiency and the Clinical Consequences.” Immunodiagnostic Systems, Volume 1, Sept 2004. Pulled from web may 2007.

M.D. Holick, Michael F. “Vitamin D: importance in the prevention of cancers, type 1 diabetes,
heart disease, and osteoporosis.” American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2003. Pulled from web May 2007.

Holick, Sally A.; Holick, Michael F.; Travela, Thomas E.; Schnoes, Heinrich K.; Deeuca, Hector F. “Metabolism of IwHydroxyvitamin D, in the Chick.” The journal of Biological Chemistry, 1975. Pulled from web May 2007.​
 
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