Safeguard dewormer

[Peytonandpancakes]

I’ve read two conflicting posts regarding Safeguard dewormer.
One post states “0.023 ml/kg” And the second states “0.23 ml/kg”. Obviously this dosage would be a daily dose for 1-3 days.
Can anyone confirm which is the correct dosage?
Would the deworming/sudden parasitic death be so much of a shock to his/her system that the chicken could die? Also, dogs can vomit roundworms up as well as pass them in stool after deworming. Is it possible for worms to travel out of the chickens mouth as well as the cloeca? Maybe a strange question, but if your a vet tech that works with dogs and cats, it would probably makes sense to you.
Thanks everyone!

 

[Happy hen lover]

Don't know but will tag some experts. @azygous , @MysteryChicken , @Eggcessive @aart ?

 

[MysteryChicken]

Dewormers, aren't my expertise.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I’ve read two conflicting posts regarding Safeguard dewormer.
One post states “0.023 ml/kg” And the second states “0.23 ml/kg”. Obviously this dosage would be a daily dose for 1-3 days.
Can anyone confirm which is the correct dosage?
Would the deworming/sudden parasitic death be so much of a shock to his/her system that the chicken could die? Also, dogs can vomit roundworms up as well as pass them in stool after deworming. Is it possible for worms to travel out of the chickens mouth as well as the cloeca? Maybe a strange question, but if your a vet tech that works with dogs and cats, it would probably makes sense to you.
Thanks everyone!

I found the links for the screenshots and quoted them below.

You need to take the thread into context and as a whole when reading about products and dosing.
Words are also important. Your comparing 2 different products. Continue to read on...

Have been researching about deworming and have a quick question about safeguard aquasol.

The approved dose is 1 mg/kg for five days and that works out to ~0.023 ml per five pounds for five days.

The OP of the thread is asking about Safeguard AQUASOL. It is Fenbendazole, it's expensive, it's formulated to go in drinking water and it's the only FDA "approved" dewormer for poultry in the U.S. "Approved" dose of Aquasol is 1mg/kg so there is no egg withdrawal and at this therapeutic dose, it is only for Roundworm and Cecal worm.
Here's the info sheet for Aquasol.
https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/species/poultry/products/safe-guard-aquasol

The correct dosing for Safeguard liquid is .23ml per pound, so for a 6 lb bird would get 1.38ml (round up to the next easy measure). Safeguard takes a larger dose than Valbazen.

Most do not want to spend $270 for Aquasol, I know I don't. So they use Safeguard Liquid Goat dewormer or Equine paste. Plumbs Vet Drug Manual gives a dosing range for Fenbendazole in birds to be 10-50mg/kg which turns out to be 0.227272727272 which we round up to be 0.23ml per pound. This dose will treat Roundworms, cecal worms, hairworms, gapeworm, cappillary worms, etc., depending on how many days given. 5 days to treat pretty much all, except for Tapeworms.

Worm toxicity could happen with any product. Usually not with something as safe as Fenbendazole, but no one can say for sure. Using Piperazine, you could encounter it.

Chickens do not have a gag reflux, so they do not "vomit". So no, they would not vomit up worms. There are worms that do invade the trachea, crop and esophagus, so it's possible they could be coughed up or if the crop is pressed firmly maybe the contents could spill out and worms be present. Anything is possible.

A vet tech probably would have access to info about products and dosing that are on the market, but if not, the google machine does a decent job of giving up results if you do some digging.

 

[Peytonandpancakes]

I found the links for the screenshots and quoted them below.

You need to take the thread into context and as a whole when reading about products and dosing.
Words are also important. Your comparing 2 different products. Continue to read on...



The OP of the thread is asking about Safeguard AQUASOL. It is Fenbendazole, it's expensive, it's formulated to go in drinking water and it's the only FDA "approved" dewormer for poultry in the U.S. "Approved" dose of Aquasol is 1mg/kg so there is no egg withdrawal and at this therapeutic dose, it is only for Roundworm and Cecal worm.
Here's the info sheet for Aquasol.
https://www.merck-animal-health-usa.com/species/poultry/products/safe-guard-aquasol



Most do not want to spend $270 for Aquasol, I know I don't. So they use Safeguard Liquid Goat dewormer or Equine paste. Plumbs Vet Drug Manual gives a dosing range for Fenbendazole in birds to be 10-50mg/kg which turns out to be 0.227272727272 which we round up to be 0.23ml per pound. This dose will treat Roundworms, cecal worms, hairworms, gapeworm, cappillary worms, etc., depending on how many days given. 5 days to treat pretty much all, except for Tapeworms.

Worm toxicity could happen with any product. Usually not with something as safe as Fenbendazole, but no one can say for sure. Using Piperazine, you could encounter it.

Chickens do not have a gag reflux, so they do not "vomit". So no, they would not vomit up worms. There are worms that do invade the trachea, crop and esophagus, so it's possible they could be coughed up or if the crop is pressed firmly maybe the contents could spill out and worms be present. Anything is possible.

A vet tech probably would have access to info about products and dosing that are on the market, but if not, the google machine does a decent job of giving up results if you do some digging.

Thank you so much for clarifying for me. I’m not familiar with aquasol and clearly wasn’t paying attention closely enough to what I was reading.
So, with Safeguard, how long is egg withdrawal?
General practice vets and vet techs often have limited experience with chickens. Everything I’ve learned about chickens Ive learned from the Internet. I’m grateful to have found this website.

 

[dawg53]

Thank you so much for clarifying for me. I’m not familiar with aquasol and clearly wasn’t paying attention closely enough to what I was reading.
So, with Safeguard, how long is egg withdrawal?
General practice vets and vet techs often have limited experience with chickens. Everything I’ve learned about chickens Ive learned from the Internet. I’m grateful to have found this website.

We eat the eggs after using Safeguard, still here typing. Like all Benzimidazoles, very little fenbendazole is absorbed into the bloodstream and is mostly excreted.
However, there is minute residue in the eggs. If you suspect that you or a family member might have a reaction to the minute residue in the eggs, by all means toss the eggs in the garbage for 14 days after the last dosing. Do not feed the eggs back to your chickens.

 

[LizGio]

So is the dosage syringed into mouth? How many days?

 

[Wyorp Rock]

So is the dosage syringed into mouth? How many days?

Given orally, 5 days in a row.

 

[aart]

So is the dosage syringed into mouth?

https://www.backyardchickens.com/articles/safely-administering-oral-medications-to-all-poultry-and-waterfowl.73335/

 

[dawg53]

The reason it is dosed orally for 5 days in a row is that the Safeguard will eliminate all types of poultry roundworms.