Same age but difference in size?

[Jeanette56]

Yoda,
The photos are clickable. Click on it and it should show a larger version.
The two little ones do have some white flight feathers - they are blue/white splits.
Medicated feed does not build the immune system. It is only a preventative. Mild exposure to coccidia builds immunity. You're better off feeding them a spoonful of dirt.


Does medicated feed prevent coccidiosis?
Maybe. If you don't simultaneously expose your chicks to soil and/or adult droppings, medicated feed cannot do its job. And even if you do, it may or may not work.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/coccidiosis-and-medicated-feed

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Males grow larger then hens and even though they might look the same size, one could be a few days older. Just be sure that the food dish is always full so all can get all they need. Why not feed them medicated? It helps build immune system. The picture is a bit small for me to see LOL larger one would be better. The small one looks like it has white flights but not sure. Try posting pictures of each bird and we can tell you.

 

[Lil Zoo]

Yoda,
The photos are clickable. Click on it and it should show a larger version.
The two little ones do have some white flight feathers - they are blue/white splits.
Medicated feed does not build the immune system. It is only a preventative. Mild exposure to coccidia builds immunity. You're better off feeding them a spoonful of dirt.


Does medicated feed prevent coccidiosis?
Maybe. If you don't simultaneously expose your chicks to soil and/or adult droppings, medicated feed cannot do its job. And even if you do, it may or may not work.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/coccidiosis-and-medicated-feed

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Thank you for sharing this information. I like to use less medications and chemicals of any kind if possible. Through the years because of a son that has anaphylactic shock reactions to simple things as some perfumes we have learned to use vinegar as our main household cleaner. Found out it even works on head lice years ago when kids were in school. My mother when I was a child always added a teaspoon of vinegar to the chicken water. I wish I could ask her why today.

 

[Jeanette56]

Hi Lil Zoo,
Because of my long-time interest in nutrition & organics I try to use as few chemicals as possible. I have a couple of food allergies/intolerances and I have developed chemical & fragrance sensitivites too. All those things combined make me very leery of using harsh chemicals, poisons or medications of any kind.
I use cheap vinegar for Lots of things and Bragg's organic for use in food & water. Best Stuff Ever!
I can only guess why your Mom used vinegar in her chickens water - she might have not even known! So many things are passed down as "tradition" until the users forgot why.
However I understand that vinegar-water helps keep the intestinal tract healthier, especially in chicks, until they build up immunity to things like coccidia & parasites. There are dozens of good remedies out there but it is up to us to find them now that so many people have jumped on the chemicals & drugs for everything bandwagon.

Thank you for sharing this information. I like to use less medications and chemicals of any kind if possible. Through the years because of a son that has anaphylactic shock reactions to simple things as some perfumes we have learned to use vinegar as our main household cleaner. Found out it even works on head lice years ago when kids were in school. My mother when I was a child always added a teaspoon of vinegar to the chicken water. I wish I could ask her why today.

 

[Yoda]

Are you raising chickens or peafowl? The link states chickens. Peafowl do not scratch the ground like a chciken. Here is what it states on Peafowl.prg:

Coccidiosis is an infection caused by one or more species of coccidia. Avian coccidia protozoan organism belongs to the genus Elmeria. Coccidia is a disease primarily of young birds 3 to 12 weeks of age. Coccidia is host specific; that is, coccidia does not cross infect from one bird species to another. Most bird species are subject to coccidial infection by 2 or more species. Coccidiosis is best controlled by preventative medication in the feed during the susceptible age of the birds. Coccidiostats (preventive drugs) are available commercially with Amprolium and Rofenaid being the most prominent two. If a coccidiostat cannot be obtained, any good sulfa drug can be substituted in the feed. When outbreaks occur, birds can be treated with sulfa drug in the drinking water. All drugs should be used in accordance with the label instructions.

Please don't feed them the dirt cause you really do not know what is in it. Peafowl cost a lot more then a chicken and I would not take a risk like that - just way to high for me.

 

[Yoda]

Hi Lil Zoo,
Because of my long-time interest in nutrition & organics I try to use as few chemicals as possible. I have a couple of food allergies/intolerances and I have developed chemical & fragrance sensitivites too. All those things combined make me very leery of using harsh chemicals, poisons or medications of any kind.
I use cheap vinegar for Lots of things and Bragg's organic for use in food & water. Best Stuff Ever!
I can only guess why your Mom used vinegar in her chickens water - she might have not even known! So many things are passed down as "tradition" until the users forgot why.
However I understand that vinegar-water helps keep the intestinal tract healthier, especially in chicks, until they build up immunity to things like coccidia & parasites. There are dozens of good remedies out there but it is up to us to find them now that so many people have jumped on the chemicals & drugs for everything bandwagon.

I am highly allergic to dust and because my body is busy fighting that, perfumes and colognes (which are secondary allergies) tear me to pieces. My throat closes and I cannot breathe, eyes have burning feelings and the MIGRAINES! Oh the migraines - would trade anything to get rid of them

but I need to take medications for it, if I don't I would have been dead a few years ago. It is very scarey when you cannot breathe and are fighting for that breath. You should go to an allergy doctor and see what you are actually allergic to because it will only get worse. I waited and now everytime someone has a certain smell I cannot breathe. One day you will be like me and I do not want anyone to have to suffer like I do. Please get checked and take the meds.

 

[Lil Zoo]

I am highly allergic to dust and because my body is busy fighting that, perfumes and colognes (which are secondary allergies) tear me to pieces. My throat closes and I cannot breathe, eyes have burning feelings and the MIGRAINES! Oh the migraines - would trade anything to get rid of them

but I need to take medications for it, if I don't I would have been dead a few years ago. It is very scarey when you cannot breathe and are fighting for that breath. You should go to an allergy doctor and see what you are actually allergic to because it will only get worse. I waited and now everytime someone has a certain smell I cannot breathe. One day you will be like me and I do not want anyone to have to suffer like I do. Please get checked and take the meds.

You know what I am talking about then with anaphylactic shock. My son is the same he never knows what perfume will set him off except all car fresheners and chemical magic markers. When he was younger they didn't want us to give him anything as they wanted steroids and their meds to work during an attach. 8 or so years ago his oxygen level wouldn't come back up after an attach was so bad they were minutes from putting him on life support. He had a different Dr. through that emergency and was put on a regiment of newer medications. It's kind of hard making choices in regards to medications as most medications you build resistant to, or have a nasty side effect. We know that by his taking these meds he has not had an attach since. We also know that by taking these melds if he does have another attach, it might result in them not being able to bring him out of it. We also know that one med has so many side effects that other parts of his body may become damaged. He was at the point with out he probably wouldn't come out of another attach. Many wouldn't be alive with out a medication. I think everyone knows that. It's just wise to try and keep informed and question whether any medication is really necessary.

 

[Jeanette56]

Yoda
I'm not advocating feeding dirt. However you don't state how Peafowl contract coccidia.
From what I understand coccidia is picked up from pecking at the ground and from contact with droppings. Peafowl may not scratch like a chicken but they still eat from the ground. Peafowl also need grit just like any other bird and they get that from pecking at the ground. Feeding a bird grit or dirt on purpose from your own property I assume would be no more harmful in my opinion than loading them with drugs. One is a from a living, biological source and one is a drug/chemical. It's a choice - and no, I don't feed my birds dirt. They can get that on their own.

Are you raising chickens or peafowl? The link states chickens. Peafowl do not scratch the ground like a chciken. Here is what it states on Peafowl.prg:

Coccidiosis is an infection caused by one or more species of coccidia. Avian coccidia protozoan organism belongs to the genus Elmeria. Coccidia is a disease primarily of young birds 3 to 12 weeks of age. Coccidia is host specific; that is, coccidia does not cross infect from one bird species to another. Most bird species are subject to coccidial infection by 2 or more species. Coccidiosis is best controlled by preventative medication in the feed during the susceptible age of the birds. Coccidiostats (preventive drugs) are available commercially with Amprolium and Rofenaid being the most prominent two. If a coccidiostat cannot be obtained, any good sulfa drug can be substituted in the feed. When outbreaks occur, birds can be treated with sulfa drug in the drinking water. All drugs should be used in accordance with the label instructions.

Please don't feed them the dirt cause you really do not know what is in it. Peafowl cost a lot more then a chicken and I would not take a risk like that - just way to high for me.

 

[Yoda]

Yoda
I'm not advocating feeding dirt. However you don't state how Peafowl contract coccidia.
From what I understand coccidia is picked up from pecking at the ground and from contact with droppings. Peafowl may not scratch like a chicken but they still eat from the ground. Peafowl also need grit just like any other bird and they get that from pecking at the ground. Feeding a bird grit or dirt on purpose from your own property I assume would be no more harmful in my opinion than loading them with drugs. One is a from a living, biological source and one is a drug/chemical. It's a choice - and no, I don't feed my birds dirt. They can get that on their own.

I was only kidding about the dirt LMAO! You are the one who told me to give a spoonful LOL I give my birds grit, they have access to it 24/7. There is a big difference from a chick to an adult. Yes in the wild the strongest will survive but my birds are like my kids and I look out for all 34 of them. I have learned by my mistakes and watched some chicks die from this disease. It is sad because it could've been prevented. I could not buy medicated chick starter and had no choice. The little ones did not make it. Now my peas go from incubator to brooder to large pen to large pen on the shed wall. They will not be on the ground til about January. The pens and cages all have wire mesh bottoms so the birds do not touch the ground. This gives me nice healthy birds with a great start on life. The only time I had sick was when I first started and Deerman took me under his wing and he taught me. Coccidia is in all dirt, you will find it everywhere. It attacks the pea chicks more then adults because the pea chicks do not have a well established immune system, which the adult birds have. What will you do when your bird gets a respiratory infection? Granted I do not like giving meds either but if it is needed I will do it. In the wild any sick animal becomes prey to another, so when a peafowl gets a "cold" in the wild it is most likely game over for that bird. But when in captivity, well give it a shot of antibiotic and the birds gets better. Unfortunately like it or not meds play a big role in all our pets lives whether it is a dog, cat, bird, fish, etc when they get sick we use meds. We give our dog a rabies shot to prevent it from getting the disease and medicated chick starter does the same for the chicks - helps prevent the disease. I am not telling you to feed your bird this or that, that my friend is up to you. But when your bird gets sick from it you will be asking what to do and the only remedy is meds. I am just trying to help you not get into that situation. You need to understand that a peachick is NOT the same a chicken chick.